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Jan 29 2010 2:41am
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Editorial Section:
Oddly enough, it's been almost exactly one year since I touched on this topic, and you can read my previous concerns about MTGO hoarding here.

This time around, I'm going to focus on the Speculation side of the (Hoarding |------| Speculation) rainbow as some recent discussions in my comments last week have really emphasized the hot nature of this topic.  I'll briefly restate my thoughts about hoarding before moving into speculation and the differences between the two.  The difficulty in any of these types of discussion is that people tend to have different interpretations of the same terminology.  In order to get us all on the same page in this section I'll need

Between Hoarding and Speculation:
Hoarding, (as generally defined in business terms): "Excess accumulation of commodities or currency in anticipation of scarcity and/or higher prices".
Compare that to:
Speculation: "Assumption of risk in anticipation of gain but recognizing a higher than average possibility of loss."

As stated in the linked article above, hoarding generally seems to be done with the intent of driving the price up on its own actions and capitalize once the market is effectively cornered.  I know of only one actual hoarding attempt on MTGO which backfired horribly.  (The person in question was hoarding Vampiric Tutors for 20 tix each right up until they were restricted... OOOOOOOOPPPPSSSS).  I have heard other rumors of hoarding but have not seen them first hand like I had the above example.  It's possible that there has been hoarding of the Counterbalance's in the liquid asset parts of the system (bots).  However it is really hard to fully hoard something on MTGO in today's environment.  Essentially, for every bot there are many players.  Players with cards that they might sell if the price gets high enough.  The only way to truly corner a market is on a low access card from an older set.  Anything remotely current will have plenty of copies residing in accounts.

Speculation carries risks:
Ask the guy with dozens of Vampiric Tutors in his account.  Or the bot owners who bought dozens of MED2 duals, only to see WotC subsidize the MED2 queues to the point of being 'free' and flooding the market.  The reason MED2 duals aren't through the roof is the "Farewell MED2 Events" that pumped dozens and dozens of play sets into the market right before MED2 went off sale by essentially subsidizing the players of MED2 at the time.  Looking back, it's entirely possible that those events were sweeter than normal by design, in a WotC attempt to flood the market with duals.  But that's getting us into tin foil territory, and there's only so much of that I'm willing to go into publicly.  Those are just a couple examples of attempts at mass speculation and hoarding that backfired a bit. 

Prices adjust in time:
Speculation and hoarding have a similar immediate impact on the price of the commodity in question (in our case, singles). Hoarding, true hoarding, really messes with the prices of cards by keeping them out of circulation completely until a certain price is met.  As the market is cornered there's no competition or worry of being undercut.  To this end, Hoarding can only truly be accomplished when something is going to have little to no additional supply appearing.  Speculation, on the other hand, generally has more than one person in the mix and that helps to make price much less exorbitant than it is when hoarding is involved.  The thought process is pretty simple really.  If one person has all 240 available cards then they can set the price to whatever they like.  If, however, there are three people with 80 cards each there is still some semblance of competition (assuming they're not colluding for price fixing, of course).

It's all in the intent:
If you're intending to drive the price up based on your actions, you're attempting to manipulate the market and hoard, or corner, that market.  If you're attempting to get a bunch of cards before a hopeful price jump you're speculating.  The key difference of course, is the intent of the actions.  I know that speculation carries a negative connotation with, probably overlapping from the hatred of hoarding.  People are understandably upset when someone attempts to hoard, and I think that frustration has spilled over into anyone caught 'speculating' as well. 

Let's take a couple of examples that I know of first hand; one from last week's articles involving Kabira Evangel and one non-public one; foil Forbidden Orchards.  The person who bought the foil Orchards got them quite cheap with the anticipation of Oath of Druids being a worthy archtype in Classic.  Also, we know from last week, that folks snapped up as many as 80 evangel's at .1 ticket each.  So how have those speculative purchases worked out? Foil Orchards are currently sitting at 7.00 and sold out while Kabira Evangel's are at .9, with 8 in stock.  I highly doubt that Kabira's will go much higher than that due to the massive amounts of Zendikar that still flows into the system on a daily basis.  The interesting thing about the Orchards is that their demand is directly tied to another low availability card in Oath of Druids.  The lack of availability on Oath means a lower of demand for Orchards.  Again, the fact that so much risk in speculation is tied to things outside of the control of the speculators is what balances out the risk vs reward of those who approach the speculation market.

I don't believe that either individual in my stories have attempted to impact the availability of a card, a deck, or an archetype.  And they all put their own money on the line on speculation.  Luckily both have made a decent profit from their speculation, but both were reduced by items outside of their control.  This is a typical risk/reward structure of an open market like we have on MTGO.  In fact, in the above stories one ran up a bunch of the current set cards and one picked up the 'special' version of an ample supply rare.  This type of speculation doesn't hurt the players as the cards' prices' in question would have gone upwards with or without their involvement.

Ways to benefit from Hoarding/Speculation:
The best way for most players to capitalize on the actions of others is to use them to subsidize your limited spending.  In the case of Kabira Evangel going up and up, there's not a lot of change in the way people play.  Meaning that most people already are playing Zendikar, and this merely helps recoup those costs a little bit more.  However, knowing that some older cards, like Coldsnap rares and uncommons, have gone up tremendously and as such we should be on the lookout for CSP nix tix drafts when they are added (although sadly, none are on the nix tix schedule through March).  However, there are MVW nix tix(and pax) events coming up in early to mid February which should prove to have a solid EV for the costs.  As that event gets closer I'll run the numbers for per pack prices again.  As always, keeping an eye on the nix tix schedule is a good idea for planning out limited spending, and it can be found here.  MVW is a good time to hit the queues, as there are quite a few high priced cards in the set, even though they are slanted more towards the rare cards.
 

Discussion Items/News:
Shard of Alara Block Events extended! -
Evidently these have been pretty popular and as such they're being extended a bit and expanded.  Details in the link above.

Thoughts on being auto-dropped -
A thread about the impacts and implications of the MTGO "Auto Drop" rules.  I haven't seen a discussion about this in a good long while and I'm interested in seeing where this goes.  I don't expect any changes to the set up of tournaments but there's a lot of interesting ways to look at this one.

Card Price Discussion:
Extended, how do I love thee... let me count the ways!  Lots of improvements in Extended card prices and some positive movements in Standard and Extended to boot!  Namely on the upcoming changes for each of these formats.  Urza's is on the horizon for Classic as is the Classic/Legacy split.  Standard is about to go all Bella Swan and fall in love with a bad mate deck because it's a vampire.  Not to get all blappy or anything.  Dark Depths continues its meteoric rise based on the constant Pro Love of the deck.  Time for a haterade deck, I ever saw one! 

As for negative movers, M10 Mythics and out of flavor rares started to slide a bit, for no reason I can ascertain.  They're going to be legal for a good long while, folks!  Remember, these things will not rotate until SHARDS rotates out, not when M11 rotates in... crazy double Core Set overlap and all that. 

Card price tables:

Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Dark Depths 30 20 10 50.00%
Vampire Nocturnus 21 17 4 23.53%
Sorin Markov 14 11 3 27.27%
Summoner's Pact 8.5 5.5 3 54.55%
Null Rod 32 30 2 6.67%
City of Traitors 18 16 2 12.50%
Cloudstone Curio 2.5 1 1.5 150.00%
Umezawa's Jitte 11 9.5 1.5 15.79%
Fulminator Mage 4.5 3 1.5 50.00%
Glimpse of Nature 6 5 1 20.00%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Cloudstone Curio 2.5 1 1.5 150.00%
Pristine Angel 1.75 0.9 0.85 94.44%
Malfegor 1.75 1 0.75 75.00%
Summoner's Pact 8.5 5.5 3 54.55%
Dark Depths 30 20 10 50.00%
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale 3 2 1 50.00%
Fulminator Mage 4.5 3 1.5 50.00%
Seal of Cleansing 2.5 1.75 0.75 42.86%
Rugged Prairie 1.4 1 0.4 40.00%
Seismic Assault 1.35 1 0.35 35.00%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Ajani Vengeant 21.5 24 -2.5 -10.42%
Sphinx of the Steel Wind 11 13 -2 -15.38%
Stomping Ground 18.5 20.5 -2 -9.76%
Baneslayer Angel 43 45 -2 -4.44%
Avatar _ Commander Greven il_Vec 4.5 6 -1.5 -25.00%
Maelstrom Pulse 17 18.5 -1.5 -8.11%
Steam Vents 15.75 17 -1.25 -7.35%
Grindstone 17 18 -1 -5.56%
Arcbound Ravager 10 11 -1 -9.09%
Time Warp 9.75 10.75 -1 -9.30%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Extractor Demon 1.3 1.85 -0.55 -29.73%
Avatar _ Commander Greven il_Vec 4.5 6 -1.5 -25.00%
Mycoid Shepherd 0.7 0.9 -0.2 -22.22%
Font of Mythos 3 3.75 -0.75 -20.00%
Broodmate Dragon 1.5 1.85 -0.35 -18.92%
Earthquake 4 4.75 -0.75 -15.79%
Sphinx of the Steel Wind 11 13 -2 -15.38%
Hell's Thunder 3 3.5 -0.5 -14.29%
Great Sable Stag 1.5 1.75 -0.25 -14.29%
Ball Lightning 1.75 2 -0.25 -12.50%

Card price Graphs:


dark depths chart
vampire nocturnus chart
sorin markov chart
summoner's pact chart
null rod chart
city of traitors chart
cloudstone curio chart
umezawa's jitte chart
fulminator mage chart
glimpse of nature chart
cloudstone curio chart
pristine angel chart
malfegor chart
summoner's pact chart
dark depths chart
the tabernacle at pendrell vale chart
fulminator mage chart
seal of cleansing chart
rugged prairie chart
seismic assault chart
ajani vengeant chart
sphinx of the steel wind chart
stomping ground chart
baneslayer angel chart
avatar _ commander greven il_vec chart
maelstrom pulse chart
steam vents chart
grindstone chart
arcbound ravager chart
time warp chart
extractor demon chart
avatar _ commander greven il_vec chart
mycoid shepherd chart
font of mythos chart
broodmate dragon chart
earthquake chart
sphinx of the steel wind chart
hell's thunder chart
great sable stag chart
ball lightning chart

Tournament Stuff:
Below is the handy-dandy Google Tournament Calendar for MTGO! 

Sadly I don't have any videos this week as my life away from MTGO has taken a bit more focus for the past week.  I can't guarantee any major videos next week either as I intend to be working on my Card Shop as hard as I can!

Conclusion:
That wraps up this week's State of the Program. By this time next week I hope to have a Card Shop opened up in my home town of Bemidji, Minnesota.  Once that opens I will start each SotP with a full disclosure statement about said involvement just so everyone knows everything they need to about where my biases may lie!  Until then, have a great week!

14 Comments

wow, well good luck with your by Anonymous (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 09:42
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wow, well good luck with your shoppe, i would btw call it shoppe with 2 p's and an e to create the olde tyme feel thus generating more interest....just saying

Are you going to have any by ArchGenius at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 10:34
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Are you going to have any Grand Opening events for your Card Shop?

Your Shop by Luke (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 11:08
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Will you have any online presence? Could loyal readers order boxes from you or anything like that?

handy-dandy calendar by mysticknight232 (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 12:30
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i just want to thank you again for posting this. it's quite helpful to plan one's weekend w/ the help of your calendar. thanks for doing this and hopefully you feel it's beneficial to keep reposting it on a weekly basis for us.

Also...figured this would be a good place to ask. a month or so ago you made a comment regarding spliting into two clan's online. i was looking for that information and looking for a clan to join. what does a clan actually do these days and how do i join the pureMTGO clan?

thanks!

collection prices by Anonymous (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 13:36
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Hey Hammy, what happened to the 1-of collection price charts? I always thought those were an interesting overview of the "market"

How did hoarding of Vampiric by Anonymous (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 14:00
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How did hoarding of Vampiric Tutors backfire? I can sell mine in a second for 34 tix. Looks like the guy who bought a bunch at 20 is sitting on a nice profit.

He probably bought the vamps by Anonymous (not verified) at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 17:58
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He probably bought the vamps for 40 lol

No, according to the article by Anonymous (not verified) at Sun, 01/31/2010 - 12:43
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No, according to the article he bought the Vamps for $20:

"The person in question was hoarding Vampiric Tutors for 20 tix each right up until they were restricted... OOOOOOOOPPPPSSSS".

Looks like he just made 14 tix per Vamp. OOOOOOOOPPPPSSSS.

Some of these links are by Paul Leicht at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 18:30
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Some of these links are broken:

The requested page could not be found.

Speculation by Katastrophe at Fri, 01/29/2010 - 22:28
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I can think of one other hording case besides Vampiric Tutor - Natural Order. Someone tried to hoard that (around Conflux time) because it was supposed to be "the nuts" with Progenitus. This person did drive the price up from 3 to 12 tix while no one was using the card. And then Oath of Druids hit. I'm pretty sure the reason Natural Order hasn't fallen is because Visions is so rare online. That and I guess no one really cares about the card. It's been at 12 forever and I don't think many copies of the card are even traded.

I think speculation is actually somewhat commendable. It does two good things for everyone:

1) It increases trade. More digital objects moving around. Drafters can sell their cards easier and they don't care if you're making money from being patient. Buyers can at least find the card they want. Casual traders can more easily estimate if a Garruk (M10) is a fair trade for a Platinum Angel (M10).

2) It increases the value of cards. I guess this is bad if you don't own stuff and you want to get it in on Legacy or something. But if Force of Will, for example, is important enough to someone that they won't sell it for less than $30 even if they're quitting the game, then that means Magic is healthy. And it means that this other person's work is increasing the value of my FoWs. That would make me happy. (Well, I don't own FoW, that was an example.)

In addition to those two benefits for everyone, one person in the community will make or lose money. Basically I just said that whenever someone buys singles, it's good for the game. That's kind of obvious. Personally, I don't speculate because I don't have any/enough extra tickets. I always just buy the next eternal staple on my list instead. But for those who do, by all means. All stores/bots are basically speculators because they buy 10 to 20 copies of a card to resell later. And mtgotraders rocks! =)

Hoarding by Anonymous (not verified) at Sat, 01/30/2010 - 04:24
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I also remember back in the long, long, ago. where someone tried to hoard foil reya dawnbringers

Thank you. I was the 80 by Anonymous (not verified) at Sat, 01/30/2010 - 10:04
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Thank you. I was the 80 evangel guy, and it's nice to see that some people understand that there is risk involved, and that I am not evil and don't deserve to "get involved in a fatal car wreck on (my) way home."

One area I'd like to see by Anonymous (not verified) at Sat, 01/30/2010 - 16:25
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One area I'd like to see everyone comment on is the limited availability of draft sets for older formats. I bought a few packs of RGD the night before the ravnica nix tix was up a few weeks ago, and then once the drafts started the price of guildpact went through the roof. I did about 5 drafts, but then I realized I could sell guildpact for a huge profit. I sold a couple packs for 15 tix each... But, I had to give up my ability to draft and somebody else was willing to pay. It seems like that is fair, since everyone knows what they are getting and paying for.

Any thoughts?

Well, packs become more and by strongsad at Mon, 02/01/2010 - 00:06
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Well, packs become more and more scarce from older sets, because more are opened than given out as prizes (24 packs busted per draft, and only 11 given out as prize). Additionally, if the payout pays less of one particular packs (ie only the winner gets a pack of Guildpact), then that pack is the first to dry up, making it obviously the most valuable. When people are trying to draft, and they are given RD as their prize, only G becomes more valuable because people don't want to buy draft sets anymore, only the pack they need to draft again. It sucks, and WotC should really do something about it, because when 3 packs of the same block are 4-12-4, it is not healthy for anything they are doing, including nix tix drafts.