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Nov 20 2009 2:39pm
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Editorial Section:
First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for the great feedback from last week's article.  I learned a lot from the comments and discussion and will be taking sometime soon to really apply the discussion and probably take another crack at the MB breakdowns. 

This week's editorial section is going to be a bit different than my usual fare, as I have a bunch of little items that I picked up while in Renton.  And while each is interesting, many of them just aren't big enough to really support a full editorial section on their own.  So I will list them all out and provide a bit of context and details as needed.

Quick hits -
In regards to OP's stance of sanctioning Standard Pauper: The format is too small and too easy to figure out, and it's not really in line with what they want for OP.  Don't expect it any time soon, if ever, sorry folks.  I'm sure Alex/SpikeBoyM will have more details later.  Essentially, in a nutshell, if the format has prizes on the lines the decks would boil down to the best deck very quickly, and the rest of the time would be very boring and stagnant.  This happens even in a full Block constructed format.  Like Jund in last year's Alara Block.  By the end, it was the clear best deck and not much could really race it.  As such, the format stagnated and began to whither.  That's what they'd expect from Standard Pauper.

In regards to MOCS: OP is evaluating the layout of the MOCS tournament structure and will very likely have some changes about how it works for next season.  Probably with some steps to reduce the 'grinding' aspects of the current program.  As grinding into wins doesn't really promote the aspects or play experience of MTGO that they want to promote.  I agree with this change as I understand it.  I look forward to whatever changes Mike and company announce for the next season.

In regards to MOCS 2009: Organized Play did indeed check into the top players of MOCS as far as they could, with obvious limitations.  Everything was on the up and up with what they could investigate.

In regards to the Community Cup: Mike Gills is the man behind the MTGO Community Cup, thanks Mike, this was awesome!

In regards to the Community Cup: Playing Magic/MTGO for two days straight is a lot of work/stress.  To quote danger "I just want to stop playing now...".

In regards to MTGO: MTGO really is the focus for many people in the company, and it's hard to find a place that didn't have UI shots of the new client, along with proposed changes/mockups that we haven't seen before.  (No pictures allowed, sorry! But it's still looking cool!)

In regards to Organized Play: Mike Gills really knows his stuff.  The way his mind works when discussing tournaments, point scoring schemes, etc is hands down remarkable.  There's a reason he's turned the MTGO Tournament environment around so quickly.  I learned a lot in three days that I'll soon be applying to my PureMTGO clan. (Which reminds me.  Clannies!  We had a lot of people interested in Small Set Block Constructed.  Let's get to work on that, the format is really good right now.  U/W has a decent match-up against Vamps)  Look for me to start a playtest session in the /join puremtgo room soon).

In regards to MTGO inside of WotC: More WotC's need to play MTGO.  But considering they can play paper Magic at work any time they want, I can understand the lack of playing at home or on MTGO.  Still, I'd like to see more of them on the client from time to time. 

In regards to stalking: The 'invisible' feature should be granted to ALL players, not just WotC's/Orc's.  So handy.

In regards to 8th Edition: Shiny 8th edition bad cards are way cooler than non-shiny 8th edition bad cards (Really?  Skull of Orm?  Why did we get this as a reprint?)

In regards to Momir: Momir BASIC is as fun and frustrating as I remember it being.  The giant tournament will be a blast of yelling, cursing, screaming and laughing.  Just like Momir Basic should be.

In regards to "Holla!": Seeing Matt Tabak yell 'Holla!' is worth his weight in gold.

In regards to "MULTIBALL!": Yelling 'MULTIBALL' is super fun, but does create headaches after about six hours.  Completely worth it though.  A+++ meme, would yell again.

In regards to WotC's playing: Watching WotC's play competitively with something on the line is really fun.  They don't often get to exercise that aspect of playing once they work there.  Serious WotC's are serious.

In regards to WotC's playing:  MTGO allowed for far more diversity of the WotC opponents.  And by that I mean that they could take people with minimal rules/game knowledge and set them down with someone to help with the interface and the program would handle all the upkeep stuff like shuffling, counters, triggers, etc.  All those little things helped make things go smoothly.

In regards to WotC's playing:  MTGO doesn't actually have cause more 'mistakes' than paper Magic.  MTGO allows misclicks, etc, but paper allows missed triggers, missed effects, etc... just different mistakes than you'd have in paper but not actually any more than the other.

That's a lot of "in regards to..."'s, which is kind of a weird way of attempting to tie a whole bunch of unrelated data together with some semblance of a theme.  A lot of these pieces of information were gathered through just hanging out and talking with various people at Wizards of the Coast, and having gotten to spend a lot of time with the people who get to help make this great game. 


While at WotC's headquarters it was suggested that I pay attention to the Microsoft Professional Developers Conference this week... for "no reason what-so-ever".  I was also directed to keep an eye out for a specific keynote regarding Silverlight 4. 
For the record, some key features of Silverlight 4 from the Keynote include:

  • Continued Mac and Windows support
  • Right Click
  • Mouse Wheel
  • Webcam/microphone support
  • Programmatic access to clipboard and printing (copy/paste from Silverlight to, say, another program)
  • Rich Text Support
  • Drag and Drop.  Drop a deck to open?  Drop a csv to load a trade?
  • Run 'out of browser', Like a regular application not tied to a web page.
  • Windowing API
  • Notification pop-ups, HTML Support, Drop Target
  • "Trusted" applications that run outside of the current 'sandbox'.
  • Access to the local file system
  • Access other sites on the internet
  • Full keyboard support
  • On Windows COM Automation to run other programs... programmatically talk to MS Office, etc.  Probably not used here, but still pretty neat.
  • Faster than Silverlight 3
  • Complete control of the application look while running out of browser.
  • Silverlight SDK for Facebook.
  • Support for multi-touch enable screens... you might actually be able to, gasp, 'play' the cards!


I don't know how much of this functionality will be utilized in MTGO.  But I'm sure that some of this will be used from the get-go.  For example, right click, mouse wheel, 'outside of browser', Windowing API and notifications and Drag and Drop all jump out at me.  Also, the integration with web cams and microphones means that just maybe I'll be able to chat with my clan mates and buddies from within the client in the not too distant future.

Discussion Items:

Downtime on Tuesday:
Due to Thanksgiving here in the states, the downtime will be on TUESDAY instead of the typical WEDNESDAY!  Be ye warned!

Announcement:
I'd definitely like to thank Paul for his email to me about the lack of exposure that these blog posts on mtgonline.com have been getting.  Granted, some of them are pretty sparse for information, but this is the place to go if you ever want to see where the MTGO downtime posts are going.

Most everything else revolves around the "3.5" UI, and the Millibot issues... Silverlight Discussion #1, Silverlight Discussion #2, Milibot Issues; for those who may not have seen them the first time around.

Below are some announcements that I felt everyone should be more aware of... (copied from the WotC boards)

Zedikar Redemption: We are happy to announce that Zendikar Redemption Requests will be available after the downtime on Wednesday, November 18.

December Promo Cards Announced: Here are the upcoming promo cards for December 2009.
December 2009 Daily/PE Events: Zuran Orb (Top-8 Participants will also receive a premium foil copy)
December 2009 Weekend Challenge: Krosan Tusker (Top-8 Participants will also receive a premium foil copy)

The December 2009 Magic Online Player Rewards cards are as follows:
MOPR Tier 1 and 2: The Tier 1 and 2 alternate art land promo cards are the second set of released APAC lands, originally released in 1998.
MOPR Tier 3: Non-foil Alternate Art Shrapnel Blast, originally given out to Classic and Extended based Daily Event Top 8 participants in February 2009.
MOPR Tier 4: Non-foil Duress, originally part of the Friday Night Magic rewards in 2005
MOPR Tier 5: Premium foil Duress
MOPR Tier 6: Non-foil Swords to Plowshares, originally part of the Friday Night Magic rewards in 2001
MOPR Tier 7: Premium foil Swords to Plowshares
MOPR Tier 8: Non-foil Full Art Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, originally part of the 2006 2-HG Championships and the first foil full art promo card
MOPR Tier 9: Premium foil Niv-MIzzet, the Firemind

Holiday Week Downtime Change: Also, due to the Thanksgiving holiday next week’s downtime will take place on Tuesday, November 24 instead of Wednesday, November 25. November’s MOPR will end at that time, so plan accordingly.

Price Discussion:
Oh what a difference that Worlds can make.  For those who don't keep up with paper Magic very much, this week is Worlds in Rome which is being run in the Standard format.  As such, the price of lots of Standard cards have gone through a great deal of flux.  Cards like Elspeth, Master of the Wild Hunt, Nissa and Eldrazi have gone up quite a bit thanks to recent popularity in Standard.  I'm guessing that Undiscovered Paradise has found a home in Classic as it was tied with Elspeth for the top weekly increaser.

Baneslayer, on the other hand, has led this weeks price decreasers, most of which are pretty straight-forward.  Either they are unused Standard, Extended or Classic cards, or cards that are weaker than other cards in their respective formats. 

The first price graph is one that I keep making but forgetting to include in the article each week.  It's the Expected Value of an average draft of a specific format.  This allows you to see the most potentially profitable format for your drafting considerations.

Prices Tables:

Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Undiscovered Paradise 5 3 2 66.67%
Elspeth, Knight_Errant 23 21 2 9.52%
Nissa Revane 14.5 13 1.5 11.54%
Eldrazi Monument 12 10.5 1.5 14.29%
Emeria Angel 2 0.7 1.3 185.71%
Master of the Wild Hunt 14.25 13 1.25 9.62%
Sphinx of the Steel Wind 7.25 6 1.25 20.83%
Ajani Vengeant 18.5 17.5 1 5.71%
Day of Judgment 6.5 5.5 1 18.18%
Greater Auramancy 4 3 1 33.33%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Emeria Angel 2 0.7 1.3 185.71%
Oracle of Mul Daya 1.15 0.6 0.55 91.67%
Sphinx of Lost Truths 0.6 0.35 0.25 71.43%
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle 1 0.6 0.4 66.67%
Undiscovered Paradise 5 3 2 66.67%
The Rack 2.75 2 0.75 37.50%
Greater Auramancy 4 3 1 33.33%
Telemin Performance 0.75 0.6 0.15 25.00%
Dauntless Escort 2.5 2 0.5 25.00%
Mycoid Shepherd 1.25 1 0.25 25.00%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Baneslayer Angel 42 48 -6 -12.50%
Avatar _ Serra Angel (Alt.) 30 35 -5 -14.29%
Protean Hydra 2.5 4 -1.5 -37.50%
Mutavault 5.5 6.5 -1 -15.38%
Dark Depths 15 16 -1 -6.25%
Tezzeret the Seeker 6.75 7.5 -0.75 -10.00%
Felidar Sovereign 2.25 3 -0.75 -25.00%
Vendilion Clique 2.75 3.5 -0.75 -21.43%
Twincast 4 4.75 -0.75 -15.79%
Goblin Guide 2 2.75 -0.75 -27.27%
Card This Week Last Week Value Change Percentage Change
Avatar _ Armament Master 0.75 1.5 -0.75 -50.00%
Protean Hydra 2.5 4 -1.5 -37.50%
Hypnotic Specter 0.7 1 -0.3 -30.00%
Eternity Vessel 1.25 1.75 -0.5 -28.57%
Wooded Bastion 1 1.4 -0.4 -28.57%
Flame Javelin 0.65 0.9 -0.25 -27.78%
Goblin Guide 2 2.75 -0.75 -27.27%
Mystic Gate 1.3 1.75 -0.45 -25.71%
Lorthos, the Tidemaker 0.6 0.8 -0.2 -25.00%
Haunting Echoes 0.6 0.8 -0.2 -25.00%

Price Charts:

undiscovered paradise chart
elspeth, knight_errant chart
nissa revane chart
eldrazi monument chart
emeria angel chart
master of the wild hunt chart
sphinx of the steel wind chart
ajani vengeant chart
day of judgment chart
greater auramancy chart
emeria angel chart
oracle of mul daya chart
sphinx of lost truths chart
valakut, the molten pinnacle chart
undiscovered paradise chart
the rack chart
greater auramancy chart
telemin performance chart
dauntless escort chart
mycoid shepherd chart
baneslayer angel chart
avatar _ serra angel (alt.) chart
protean hydra chart
mutavault chart
dark depths chart
tezzeret the seeker chart
felidar sovereign chart
vendilion clique chart
twincast chart
goblin guide chart
avatar _ armament master chart
protean hydra chart
hypnotic specter chart
eternity vessel chart
wooded bastion chart
flame javelin chart
goblin guide chart
mystic gate chart
lorthos, the tidemaker chart
haunting echoes chart

Tournament Stuff:

  321 Draft 16 player Daily Swiss Daily 8 Player Sealed Swiss Queue 16 player Daily Swiss (Release)
Promo None Counterspell None Avatar, extra avatar to winners
Rounds 3 4 3 4
Expected Value (prizes): 42.8% 50.9% 50% 54.9%
Estimated Time Three to Four hours Four Hours Three Hours Four Hours
Payout 3-0: 3 Packs
2-1: 2 Packs
1-2: 1 Packs
0-3: 0 packs
4-0: 11 Packs
3-1: 6 Packs
2-2: 3 Packs
1-3 or lower: 0 Packs
3-0: 9 Packs
2-1: 4 Packs
1-2: 1 Packs
0-3: 0 Packs
4-0: 15 Packs
3-1: 12 Packs
2-2: 3 Packs
1-3 or lower:0 Packs
MOPR Points 3 4 4 4
Cost 3 Boosters + 2 Event Tickets
($14.97 from the store)
Six Boosters + 2 Event Tickets
($25.94 from the store)
Six Boosters
($23.94 from the store)
Six boosters + 4 Event Tickets
($27.94 from the store)


Dailies:

  Standard Block Extended Classic
Promo Counterspell, foil for winning Counterspell, foil for winning Counterspell, foil for winning Counterspell, foil for winning
EV (prizes)        
Estimated Time Four hours Four hours Four hours Four hours
Rounds 4 4 4 4
Payout 4-0: 11 Zen Packs
3-1: 6 Zen Packs
4-0: 11 Zen Packs
3-1: 6 Zen Packs
4-0: 11 ACR (4/3/4)
3-1: 6 ACR (2/2/2)
4-0: 11 ME3 Boosters
3-1: 6 ME3 Boosters
MOPR Points 4 4 4 4
Cost 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck

Premier Events:

  Standard Block Extended Classic
Promo Counterspell, foil for top 8 Counterspell, foil for top 8 Counterspell,foil for top 8 Counterspell, foil for top 8
Estimated Time 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8
Rounds 6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-96
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-96
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-96
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-96
Payout 1st: 36 Zen Packs
2nd: 27 Zen Packs
3rd & 4th: 18 Zen Packs
5th - 8th: 9 Zen Packs
1st: 36 Zen Packs
2nd: 27 Zen Packs
3rd & 4th: 18 Zen Packs
5th - 8th: 9 Zen Packs
1st: 36 ACR (12/12/12)
2nd: 27 ACR (9/9/9)
3rd & 4th: 18 ACR (6/6/6)
5th - 8th: 9 ACR (3/3/3)
1st: 36 ME3 Packs
2nd: 27 ME3 Packs
3rd & 4th: 18 ME3 Packs
5th - 8th: 9 ME3 Packs
MOPR Points 6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
Cost 10 Event Tickets + Deck 10 Event Tickets + Deck 10 Event Tickets + Deck 10 Event Tickets + Deck

Weekend Events:

  Standard Singleton Pauper Core Set Constructed 100 Card Singleton
Promo Goblin Legionnaire, foil top 8 Goblin Legionnaire, foil top 8 Goblin Legionnaire, foil top 8 Goblin Legionnaire, foil top 8
Estimated Time 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8 6+ hours, + top 8
Rounds 6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
8 for 129-256
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
8 for 129-256
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
8 for 129-256
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
8 for 129-256
Payout 1st:
2nd:
3rd & 4th:
5th - 8th:
9th - 16th:
1st: M2010
2nd: M2010
3rd & 4th: M2010
5th - 8th: M2010
9th - 16th: M2010
1st: M2010
2nd: M2010
3rd & 4th: M2010
5th - 8th: M2010
9th - 16th: M2010
1st:
2nd:
3rd & 4th:
5th - 8th:
9th - 16th:
MOPR Points 6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
6 for 33 - 64
7 for 65-128
Cost 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck 6 Event Tickets + Deck

Conclusion:
I updated the weekend event charts to correctly state that they require SIX tickets instead of TEN tickets. Thanks to rainin6 for the correction!  Also, as Harpist pointed out, the name of my 16 Player Swiss Queue was incorrect and could have led to confusion from the players.  I have corrected this, thank you Harpist!  My apologies to anyone for any confusion I may have caused!

I'll probably re-touch the Myers-Briggs profiles again in the next few weeks, but as last week's article took about three weeks of prep work the next one might be a couple more weeks away.  However, I definitely intend on following up on that article with what I've learned.  A lot of great discussion and information is contained in the comments of last weeks State of the Program, and I thank you all for sharing your details!

See you in seven!
~Erik

11 Comments

Player Rewards or MOCS points (when applicable) by mysticknight232 (not verified) at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:23
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is there a WotC website where you can check on the status of your points to stay current w/ where you are?

No. Just the emails according by Paul Leicht at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:19
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No. Just the emails according to the ORC who answered this question in chat the other day.

too bad. thanks for the help by mysticknight232 (not verified) at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:27
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too bad. thanks for the help tho.

What the heck has made by bogtrog at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:39
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What the heck has made Greater Auramancy jump up?

I held off a for along time on buying Masters of the Wild Hunt at around 4 tix, because I was waiting for it to dip just a bit lower. Clearly that was a big mistake.

Zen Block Testing by dammnnitdan (not verified) at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 19:03
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Hamtastic,
I play alot of Zen Block Con right now, if you want to test with me sometime just message me and ill be happy to play.

MTGO - dammnnitdan

Thanks!

Promo Duress and Swords are by theintangiblefatman at Fri, 11/20/2009 - 22:17
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Promo Duress and Swords are excellent. Wish the textless Terminates from this month had been achievable for the non-dealer types, though.

"I just want to stop playing now..." by dangerlinto at Mon, 11/23/2009 - 08:58
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To be fair, I had stayed up to 2am (5am my time) talking to Chris Kiritz the night before. And that RW Ascension deck we designed requires a LOT of patience... for example, you don't want to forget to tap down the opponent's only green mana during their upkeep... :)

Thank god for Momir. I have new found appreciation for it as "that format you can play where luck counts for WAY more than cognitive ability". Whether you've only had 4 hours sleep or 10 beers, you can still win at Momir.

And Promo Duress and Swords make me happy. VERY happy - especially since they are in a month where I'll actually buy stuff from the shop.

what happened? by Lotus Cobra (not verified) at Mon, 11/23/2009 - 19:54
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Heya, always ensure I read this article each week - great work, keep it up!

I was eagerly awaiting the info on what has driven then price of Lotus Cobra up within the past week to $24.00? A $10.00 jump is incredibly significant for any card, thought it was worth a mention?

I am guessing people still by Paul Leicht at Mon, 11/23/2009 - 20:12
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I am guessing people still think it is going to be bomb worthy and it is hard enough to get now that the price rises. As more people let it go the price will drop again. (Cf FoW and Baneslayer, though the former was inflated due to speculators.)

Lotus Cobra... by hamtastic at Mon, 11/23/2009 - 21:10
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It's the cornerstone of a fantastic deck by Conley Woods entitled "Magical Christmas Land". The economic breakdown of Mythics makes it so that any shift in prices is fast and extreme, so a new deck abusing a Mythic will often bring with it a $10 price swing. The converse is usually true as well... with Baneslayer surging and shrinking $10 in a matter of weeks.

All thanks to the Mythics, I guess.

Lotus Cobra while it does by ShardFenix at Mon, 11/23/2009 - 20:27
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Lotus Cobra while it does have its place and can be amazing it just lacks any sort of staying power. If they had included shroud then it would be worth 21 dollars. In my eyes though it remains a variant of birds of paradise which requires insane draws to be truly game breaking.