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State of the Program for June 13th 2014

In the News:

Vintage Constructed Events Begin: Wizards has added Vintage constructed events to the schedule. Vintage will now be available a couple times a day. Vintage and Legacy events will now pay out in VM packs. The entry fee stays at 6 TIX, which means the number of packs paid out has been reduced to reflect the greater value of Vintage Masters packs. (More on that I the opinion section.) Vintage and Legacy 2 and 8 man queues are also paying out in VM packs, and the events have proven to be quite popular. Details here.
 
Extended Downtime June 25th: Events will close at midnight, PDT, and the client will go down at 3am.  
 
Journey into Nyx Redemption: Journey into Nyx redemption sets are available in the MTGO store.
 
Vintage Masters Known Bugs: Wizards has listed a number of bugs which affect the new cards in Vintage Masters. The list is here, and in the bug list below. On the plus side, the method of using Madness and paying Echo have been streamlined. City in a Bottle has a hyperlink to a webpage that will show you all of the cards currently impacted by City in a Bottle.
 
Help Panda: Tony Pagliocco works for Wizards, and his daughter, Maria, is a very good and enthusiastic Magic player.  She also loves Pandas = hence her nickname. A week ago, Panda was hit by a car as she walked home from school. She was badly hurt and will never walk again. The community is rallying to support her family, through a Give it Forward campaign, here.   
 
Hamtastic Community Cup Challenge Nominations Open: The Community Cup Challenge is a MTGO event held annually at Wizards HQ, in which a group of players form the community battle against WotC’s finest. The winners get to hoist the Erik Friborg Cup. The event is an absolute blast. The community players are nominated and selected based on their contributions to the community, not just play skill. One tongue in cheek “nomination” was for Brian Kibler, for his contributions in ending the online PTQs and MOCS. (No, it’s not his fault.) The best response to that can from Chaucy: “..... it would be ironic if the client crashed in the final match at the CC with Kibler playing Worth.” Anyway, a thread on nominations is here, and the official nomination webpage is here
 
HammyBot Discount Increases: HammyBot was set up to sell off Erik Friborg’s collection, with all proceeds going to his wife and son.  So far, HammyBot has raised over $7,000, but there are over 23,000 cards left in the collection. Those cards are being sold at 10% below retail price. Erik died three years ago, so HammyBot does not include any standard legal sets, but it includes a ton of Masters Edition and Classic cards, and some nice Modern bargains. 
 

The Timeline:

This is a list of things we have been promised, or just want to see coming back.   Another good source for dates and times is the MTGO calendar. Here’s what we know, want or are tracking. I also created another list for notable bugs. If you know of one that has not been fixed (and you or someone has filed a bug report) please let me know.
 
Item (date it will return) and notes
·       Vintage Masters (June 16) Prelease and release info is here.
·       Online PTQs & MOCS: (not before October) Latest update is here.
·       V3 Client Shutdown (JULY) Read the latest announcement here
·       Leagues (2014) Wizards has promised that leagues will return this year. Details here.
·       Magic 2015 (7/28/2014) M15 will be online end of July. Expect the Prereleases 3 days earlier, or four days earlier if Wizards has a Wide Beta Showcase.
·       Duel Decks: Speed vs. Cunning (10/6/2014) Details here.
·       Khans of Tarkir: (October) Prerelease Oct. 3-6. Details here.
 
Bugs Needing a Good Stomping:
A ton of bugs got stomped last downtime. Here’s what I have been told still doesn’t work. Let me know what needs to be added.
·       Marchesa, the Black Rose has a number of display issues, and will not return if she dies with a +1/+1 counter.
·       Selvala, Explorer Returned can only be activated as an instant, not as a mana ability.
·       (Descendants’ Path) forces you to cast the revealed creature to move the game forward.
·       Courser of Kruphix in multiplayer games, the windows showing the top of libraries overlap, so you cannot play your land. Similar bug also affects cards like Slaughter Games – the reveal library window overlaps the hand window.
·       Fact or Fiction bug: moving cards between piles too rapidly will crash the client. Move them slowly.
·       Athreos, God of Passage prompts opponents to pay 3 life or 3 mana – should only be 3 life. Trying to paly 3 mana will eat 3 mana AND 3 life.
·       Daring Thief inspired trigger is still bugged, but only for certain special cases. In most circumstances, it works.
·       Gather Specimens bugged. 
·       Thopter Assembly bugged.
·       Tomorrow, Asura’s Familiar reportedly restarts the game when its ability is activated.
·       Card counts in the Wide Beta: not sure this is really a bug, but it is weird. The Wide Beta counts the number of different cards, not total cards. For instance, if your collection was just 49 copies of the Tempest Canyon Minotaur, the V3 client would say your collection was 49 cards, and the Wide Beta would say your collection had 1 “card.”
·       Wish lists don’t save correctly in the new client.
·       Dual land text boxes don’t display correctly in the new client.

 

Opinion Section: The New Legacy and Vintage DE Prize Structure

I have written and rewritten this section a dozen times. I think I have now boiled it down to what is worth saying. 
 
Background: Wizards has added Vintage to the schedule of Daily events. Vintage events now pay out in Vintage Masters packs, as does Legacy. Standard, Modern and Block still pay out in Theros block packs. Wizards has kept the cost to enter events the same, where possible, but is paying out a reduced number of Vintage Masters packs, compared to the number of Theros block packs. In some cases, the changed numbers are pretty straight forward. In others, the changes require some explanation. Let’s look at the easy ones first.
 
2-Man Queues: Standard , Block and Modern queues cost 4 Tix and pay one Theros pack (MSRP $4) to the winner.   Vintage and Legacy queues charge 4 TIX each, and pay out one VM pack (MSRP $7) to the winner.   Since the pack price is odd, Wizards had to round up or down. Rounding down – charging 3 TIX per player and paying out a $7 booster – would have created an incentive for players to join in pairs and immediately concede to friends, to get cheap packs. Yes, it’s illegal, but it’s happened before.  
 
8-Man Queues: Standard, et. al., charge 6 pays out 5-3-2-2 Theros packs. Vintage and Legacy pay out 3-2-1-1 Vintage Masters packs. Both events charge a 6 TIX entry fee. The value of the TIX paid out is as close as you can get, given $4 and $7 packs: Standard pays out $20-$12-$8-$8, and Vintage pays out $21-$14-$7-$7.    This is pretty much a draw.
 
Daily Events: The prize support for Vintage DEs has been cut. The events still cost the same – 6 TIX – as the Standard, etc., events, but the prize pack payout is lower. Standard events pay out 11 Theros packs ($44) to 4-0s, and 6 packs ($24) to 3-1s. Vintage and Legacy pay out 6 VM packs ($42) to 4-0s, and 2 VM packs ($14) to 3-1s. Wizards did not supply an explanation, even when I asked directly, but I think I have puzzled it out. Look at the following graph, which shows the difference in the value of prize payouts against number of players. 
 
 
Wizards has stated that they subsidize Standard DEs to support the format, and to drive demand for singles. This, in turn, helps support drafters by propping up the price of their cards. It is pretty clear that Wizards is not providing a similar subsidy to Vintage and Legacy through the DEs. Wizards is paying out in prizes pretty much what they collect in entrance fees. No additional subsidy.   However, this does not mean Wizards will not support the format – look at the next event.
 
Premier Events: I was all set to scream and shout and TYPE IN ALL CAPS about the cut to DE prize support, then I looked over the prize support for PEs. The PE support is significantly better than the support for Standard, et. al. The cost is the same, and the prizes are better. Here’s a breakdown:
 

Finish
Vintage Packs
Vintage Pack Value
 
Standard Packs
Standard Pack Value
First
15 VM
$ 105
 
24 Theros
$ 84
Second
12 VM
$ 84
 
15 Theros
$ 60
3 – 4
9 VM
$ 63
 
12 Theros
$ 48
5 – 8
6 VM
$ 54
 
6 Theros
$ 24
9 - 16
3 VM
$ 21
 
3 Theros
$ 12

 
The value of prizes paid out in Standard and Modern events is $ 432. The Value of packs paid out in Legacy and Vintage is $699.   That’s a huge difference – assuming it is not a typo. Maybe it is, but these prize payouts are shown in the initial article and on the customer service website. 
 
If real, the only reasonable explanation is that Wizards does want to support the Vintage and Legacy formats, but to support them through the PEs. Hey, I’ll take it. This is almost enough to get me to play in the Vintage PEs. Not this weekend, though: I’ll be playing in / judging paper events all weekend, so I can’t make the start times unless I scrub out. Hmmm.   
 
So, DE prizes are down, while PE prize support is way up. It could be a sinister plot, or it could be Wizards is just testing out some ideas on how prize support affects turnout. If so, it would be a valid test, since Eternal players don’t have as significant a price constraint as, say, Pauper or even Standard players. But I’m speculating way beyond what I know here, so I’ll quit.   Besides, I want to go draft.
 
Cutting Edge Tech:
Standard: No SCG Open or other large Standard events were held last weekend. However, a number of pros and celebrities posted Magic videos featuring the same deck. This version comes from an SCG “Verses” video. It’s interesting, and relatively cheap, since it only plays a couple Mythics. (By comparison, last week’s deck had a couple dozen Mythics, another couple dozen rares, and a small handful of commons and uncommons. 
 
 
Modern: We are ramping up for a season of Modern PTQs (in the paper world, at least.) That means people will start practicing online. It also means more Modern events, like the TCG Player MaxPoint Silver event last weekend. Decklists here.
 
 
Legacy: SCG ran a Legacy Open in Providence last weekend. Once again, the meta was half Delver, half other stuff. Death and Taxes finished first and eight.  Top 16 decklists are here
 
 
Vintage: Vintage is available online.  Here’s a recent result from the paper world, where Vintage is not exactly new. 
 
Golden Gun Oath
Kurt Crane, Winner, Columbus Vintage Event May, 2014
Creatures
1 Blightsteel Colossus
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 cards

Other Spells
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Mental Misstep
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Show and Tell
3 Spell Pierce
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Channel
4 Oath of Druids
1 Sylvan Library
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Dragon Breath
33 cards
 
Lands
1 Flooded Strand
4 Forbidden Orchard
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
16 cards

Oath of Druids
 

Card Prices

Note: all my prices come from the fine folks at MTGOTraders.com. These are retail prices, and generally the price of the lowest priced, actively traded version. (Prices for some rare promo versions are not updated when not in stock, so I skip those.)   You can get these cards at MTGOTraders.com web store, or from their bots: MTGOTradersBot(#) (they have bots 1-10), CardCaddy and CardWareHouse, or sell cards to MTGOTadersBuyBot(#) (they have buybots 1-4).
 
Standard staples: Standard prices were slightly down this week, but nothing all that significant.  Maybe people are a bit bored with standard.      
 

Standard & Block Cards
Price
Last Week
Change
% Change
$13.36
$13.36
$0.00
0%
$15.76
$15.98
($0.22)
-1%
$15.05
$14.91
$0.14
1%
$6.95
$7.19
($0.24)
-3%
$9.44
$8.18
$1.26
15%
$8.24
$8.83
($0.59)
-7%
$17.27
$17.13
$0.14
1%
$16.99
$18.16
($1.17)
-6%
$9.84
$10.31
($0.47)
-5%
$10.65
$12.97
($2.32)
-18%
$7.94
$8.42
($0.48)
-6%
$7.66
$8.52
($0.86)
-10%
$18.70
$18.00
$0.70
4%
$6.14
$6.94
($0.80)
-12%
$9.16
$7.92
$1.24
16%
$6.75
$6.94
($0.19)
-3%
$8.42
$7.26
$1.16
16%
$19.15
$20.64
($1.49)
-7%
$11.36
$11.56
($0.20)
-2%
$8.74
$10.00
($1.26)
-13%
$23.89
$26.87
($2.98)
-11%
$5.92
$6.00
($0.08)
-1%

Modern staples: Modern staples have climbed again this week. We are heading into a Modern PTQ season, so players will want to test online. A few cards had seen a lot of speculative pressure, but their prices are returning to realistic levels.
 

Modern Cards
Price
Last Week
Change
% Change
$16.07
$16.55
($0.48)
-3%
$37.82
$36.00
$1.82
5%
$11.90
$12.07
($0.17)
-1%
$21.33
$20.39
$0.94
5%
$19.25
$18.74
$0.51
3%
$13.51
$12.56
$0.95
8%
$31.44
$30.68
$0.76
2%
$9.76
$9.76
$0.00
0%
$31.00
$26.76
$4.24
16%
$15.21
$15.21
$0.00
0%
$31.64
$23.81
$7.83
33%
$15.99
$18.54
($2.55)
-14%
$38.46
$38.46
$0.00
0%
$38.13
$36.17
$1.96
5%
$74.00
$82.74
($8.74)
-11%
$23.99
$22.51
$1.48
7%
$53.12
$51.97
$1.15
2%
$26.82
$26.82
$0.00
0%
$14.62
$17.33
($2.71)
-16%
$16.43
$16.50
($0.07)
0%
$39.21
$41.47
($2.26)
-5%
$18.78
$18.13
$0.65
4%
$22.20
$21.38
$0.82
4%
$10.86
$10.25
$0.61
6%
$86.59
$86.59
$0.00
0%
$47.72
$45.80
$1.92
4%

 
Pauper: Pauper climbed a bit this week. I removed all the cards under a buck from the table except for Diabolic Edict, which may jump back up. Time will tell.
 

Pauper Cards
Price
Last Week
Change
% Change
$1.31
$0.90
$0.41
46%
$2.02
$2.26
($0.24)
-11%
$1.03
$1.18
($0.15)
-13%
$2.27
$1.91
$0.36
19%
$1.52
$1.26
$0.26
21%
$2.62
$2.62
$0.00
0%
$11.26
$11.26
$0.00
0%
$0.89
$0.71
$0.18
25%
$1.60
$1.47
$0.13
9%
$3.06
$3.01
$0.05
2%
$5.61
$5.87
($0.26)
-4%
$1.05
$1.05
$0.00
0%
$1.48
$1.84
($0.36)
-20%
$4.04
$4.98
($0.94)
-19%
$3.23
$2.81
$0.42
15%
$3.41
$3.41
$0.00
0%
$3.69
$3.89
($0.20)
-5%
$1.43
$1.03
$0.40
39%

Legacy / Classic: the prices for vintage playable staples are on hold as we see what happens with the format. Expect changes next week. 
 

Legacy / Classic Cards
Price
Last Week
Change
% Change
$8.26
$9.13
($0.87)
-10%
$44.79
$42.22
$2.57
6%
$21.58
$21.58
$0.00
0%
$18.00
$18.00
$0.00
0%
$22.05
$24.63
($2.58)
-10%
$38.75
$41.90
($3.15)
-8%
$56.10
$56.10
$0.00
0%
$26.57
$22.92
$3.65
16%
$20.52
$20.52
$0.00
0%
$29.84
$29.84
$0.00
0%
$64.28
$64.28
$0.00
0%
$24.68
$24.68
$0.00
0%
$72.72
$72.72
$0.00
0%
$23.90
$23.90
$0.00
0%
$17.43
$17.43
$0.00
0%
$14.57
$14.57
$0.00
0%
$17.71
$17.71
$0.00
0%
$60.00
$60.00
$0.00
0%
$111.24
$111.24
$0.00
0%
$64.51
$64.51
$0.00
0%
$34.83
$34.83
$0.00
0%
$34.13
$34.13
$0.00
0%
$27.42
$30.42
($3.00)
-10%
Vampiric Tutor
$22.48
$28.48
($6.00)
-21%
$23.58
$23.58
$0.00
0%
$92.50
$92.50
$0.00
0%

Set Redemption: You can redeem complete sets on MTGO. You need to purchase a redemption voucher from the store for $25. During the next downtime, Wizards removes a complete set from your account, and sends you the same set in paper.   For those of you who redeem, here are the retail prices of one of everything set currently available in the store.  
 

Complete Set
Price
Last Week
Change
% Change
Born of the Gods
$57.51
$54.23
$3.28
6%
Dragon's Maze
$48.22
$51.19
($2.97)
-6%
Gatecrash
$77.28
$80.19
($2.91)
-4%
Journey into Nix
$84.58
$91.88
($7.30)
-8%
M14
$108.96
$105.76
$3.20
3%
Return to Ravnica
$110.94
$116.09
($5.15)
-4%
Theros
$96.06
$98.49
($2.43)
-2%

The Good Stuff:

The following is a list of all the non-promo, non-foil cards on MTGO that retail for more than $25 per card.  These are the big ticket items in the world of MTGO. A massacre this week, as a lot of the cards that will be reprinted in Vintage Masters have dropped. Force of Will leads that list. Cards that are not reprinted have soared, led by Wasteland. (To see individual card price changes, see above.)
 

Card
Rarity
Set
 Price
Rishadan Port
R
MM
 $ 111.24
Tarmogoyf
M
MMA
 $    96.51
Wasteland
U
TE
 $    92.50
Tarmogoyf
R
FUT
 $    86.59
Liliana of the Veil
M
ISD
 $    74.00
Misdirection
R
MM
 $    72.72
Show and Tell
R
UZ
 $    64.51
Lion's Eye Diamond
R
MI
 $    64.28
Polluted Delta
R
ONS
 $    60.00
Gaea's Cradle
R
UZ
 $    56.10
Mox Opal
M
SOM
 $    53.12
Vendilion Clique
R
MOR
 $    50.58
Vendilion Clique
M
MMA
 $    47.72
Flooded Strand
R
ONS
 $    47.00
City of Traitors
R
EX
 $    44.79
Misty Rainforest
R
ZEN
 $    40.08
Scalding Tarn
R
ZEN
 $    39.21
Force of Will
R
MED
 $    38.75
Tundra
R
ME2
 $    38.66
Griselbrand
M
AVR
 $    38.46
Karn Liberated
M
NPH
 $    38.13
Batterskull
M
NPH
 $    37.82
Tundra
R
ME4
 $    35.75
Sneak Attack
R
UZ
 $    34.83
True-Name Nemesis
R
C13
 $    34.13
Cryptic Command
R
LRW
 $    33.08
Dark Confidant
R
RAV
 $    32.12
Fulminator Mage
R
SHM
 $    31.64
Cryptic Command
R
MMA
 $    31.44
Dark Confidant
M
MMA
 $    31.00
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
M
WWK
 $    29.84
Volcanic Island
R
ME3
 $    29.27
Volcanic Island
R
ME4
 $    29.25
Toxic Deluge
R
C13
 $    28.47
Underground Sea
R
ME2
 $    27.91
Mana Crypt
R
ME2
 $    27.81
Underground Sea
R
ME4
 $    27.42
Noble Hierarch
R
CON
 $    26.82
Hurkyl's Recall
R
10E
 $    26.57
Tangle Wire
R
NE
 $    25.44

The big number is the retail price of a playset (4 copies) of every card available on MTGO. Assuming you bought the least expensive version available, the cost of owning a playset of every card on MTGO you can own is $ 24,650. That’s down about $50 from where we were last week, but it does not include the P9..  
 

Weekly Highlights:

 Not much Magic so far – I am trying to get everything else done so I can play some Vintage Master come the weekend. I did get some time to watch a couple Magic videos while doing other stuff. I was amused at how many pros made videos about the Junk Constellation deck this week. Check them out.
 
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15 Comments

Vintage/Legacy Premier Events by enderfall at Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:09
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Vintage/Legacy Premier Events pay out $609 worth of product at MSRP, not $699.

A winning vintage deck by Lagrange at Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:29
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A winning vintage deck without Wasteland? Is that really possible? Given all the talk about how no Wasteland in VMA would doom the format online ;-)

I see what you did there ;) by enderfall at Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:37
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I see what you did there ;)

While I understand the by Cownose at Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:46
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While I understand the thought process (Vintage players want higher-stakes events, which we do)--did they have to go about accomplishing that by robbing Peter to pay Paul? The value in those daily events is TERRIBLE--they will fire for a month or two because people want to sling their shiny new moxen, but after that?

Eternal formats are expensive, and the reason that Vintage tournaments like SCGP9 and Bazaar of Moxen work is that the prize support matches the investment it takes to build a deck. I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect eternal formats to offer BETTER prize support than Standard/Modern...just like they do in real life.

DEs are the most accessible way for most people to get into a format. not diving directly into a PE. Not everyone can set aside 6 hours to play a PE even if they want to, and the poor Euro players are at an even greater disadvantage with PEs. I think that DE support should encourage format growth by offering decent prizes (and it doesnt have to be in packs, cool eternal-playable promos are fine)--but if I am a new Vintage player (or new to online) and I join a DE, go 3-1 and get 2 packs...I am probably not coming back. The time investment to play a DE is worth more than 2 packs to me (and a lot of Vintage players as we are predominantly adults with jobs/families/wives). They need to represent at least a reasonable value.

Well said, good points. by Matt Beezer at Sat, 06/14/2014 - 20:19
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Well said, good points. Also, as far as PE's go, I can't remember the last time I had 6 hours to do anything that wasn't work (full time job, wife, 2 kids).

Bugs by eksiii at Sat, 06/14/2014 - 09:53
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In 2hg, Desecration Demon trigger often doesn't work -- it won't let opponents sac creatures to tap Demon.

Skeptical... by Alphi at Sat, 06/14/2014 - 10:51
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I am very skeptical about Wizards plan to shift prize support from DEs to PEs for eternal formats. Not everyone has the time for a PE, and those events can be a long grind. And while it is true PEs offer an amazing chance to play a LOT of vintage (after all, if you care more about playing than winning, you will have a bunch of matches to go through), it also automatically excludes anyone who happens to not be available at that day and time. All in all, I still don't see vintage picking up many players online, which would be a shame.

On a separate note, I am still upset that it looks like vintage will be incredibly expensive. Not as expensive as on paper, for sure, but still. There is no good reason for it to be that way, beyond Wizards (and notably Worth) thinking it should be so. Considering vintage is never going to be as popular as either standard, modern or legacy, it does not even make good business sense for them, they would be better off going for the long tail. Wizards really has to stop thinking about the perceived cachet of old cards when it comes to MODO, it's nonsensical, pushes older formats in a niche and frustrates the players who buy the cards but find it hard to get opponents.

I dont see the high prices. by Lagrange at Sat, 06/14/2014 - 13:42
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I dont see the high prices. VMA prices are already crashing hard. Seems like the format will be cheaper than modern.

Here's a graph of how the VMA by Doctor Anime at Sun, 06/15/2014 - 14:16
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Here's a graph of how the VMA cards are crashing:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/index/VMA#online

All the dual lands are going to tank. They're only rares and you see them often. The mythics are probably going to tank hard too.

The only thing that I highly doubt will ever be "cheap" are the P9. They're exceedingly rare, and once the VMA drafting phase is over they're going to be on a steady increase.

I know nothing about Vintage, but if you need lots of P9 in your deck to play it then yes it's going to cost you quite a bit more than other formats still.

I'm not surprised to see by TheKidsArentAlright at Sat, 06/14/2014 - 16:48
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I'm not surprised to see everything crashing, and fully expect it to keep happening all weekend and into next week. During the first few pre/release days supply is extremely limited and there's a small set of players who will pay a premium to be among the first to have the cards. Once that market dries up, usually by day 2-3, we see the crash that's happening now. My best guess is that next weekend is going to be the time to buy in on the reprints/P9. I think we'll see Lotus hit about $50, Ancestral/Walk/Sapphire $40, Jet $35, Emerald/Ruby $30, and Twister $20. I also fully expect to see FoW rebound during the summer, but not back up to $100+. Going by number of copies per deck, it is the most played card in vintage and #2 in Legacy, barely below Brainstorm.

pauper edicts by JMason at Mon, 06/16/2014 - 10:28
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I dunno, do you think Chainer's Edict might supplant Diabolic Edict despite it being a sorcery?

Probably not by walkerdog at Tue, 06/17/2014 - 09:31
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It's not the value-aspect that makes diabolic good/not good, but the instant speed. The combination of Chainer's, Geth's Verdict, and Devour Flesh might, though.

I find it unlikely that by oraymw at Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:08
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I find it unlikely that Devour Flesh gets played over Diabolic Edict. Sure, there are some fringe uses for it, but in general, it is just better to run Diabolic Edict. I think anyone that's running Devour Flesh over it is probably just getting too cutesy.

It's already played over DE by walkerdog at Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:21
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It may be a budget thing, but people already run it at least occasionally as their 2nd set of instant-speed-edicts in the board.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/9013

What I was thinking was, MBC by JMason at Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:03
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What I was thinking was, MBC results in longer games, so the card advantage from Chainer's Edict flashback makes it an attractive choice. On the other hand keeping 2 mana open is more threatening. I guess a mix of the two might be correct? In pauper of course.