Editorial Section:
First and foremost, if you're an MTGO tournament players, I STRONGLY advise you and your friends weigh in on this MTGO PE Survey thread. I'll link it again later, but this is a very important thread for anyone who plays Premier Events, used to play, or will possibly play in them soon!
Now, with that out of the way, we can move on the actual editorial section and the grab bag of topics that have come up this past week.
Lastly, we'll be thinking a bit about the upcoming Master's Edition 4 stuff. It appears that the set has been posted up to gatherer, but is missing 9 cards despite all the rares accounted for... which might, hopefully, be some hidden Mythic thing... we hope. Here's the list(in case it gets taken down by tomorrow):
| Alaborn Musketeer |
White |
C |
| Alaborn Trooper |
White |
C |
| Angelic Voices |
White |
U |
| Argivian Blacksmith |
White |
U |
| Armageddon |
White |
R |
| Balance |
White |
R |
| Blaze of Glory |
White |
U |
| Champion Lancer |
White |
R |
| Conversion |
White |
R |
| Divine Offering |
White |
C |
| Dust to Dust |
White |
U |
| Eye for an Eye |
White |
R |
| Harsh Justice |
White |
R |
| Healing Salve |
White |
C |
| Island Sanctuary |
White |
R |
| Just Fate |
White |
C |
| Kismet |
White |
R |
| Leeches |
White |
R |
| Martyr's Cry |
White |
R |
| Martyrs of Korlis |
White |
U |
| Osai Vultures |
White |
C |
| Personal Incarnation |
White |
R |
| Righteous Charge |
White |
C |
| Savannah Lions |
White |
U |
| Serra Angel |
White |
U |
| Serra Aviary |
White |
U |
| Serra Bestiary |
White |
C |
| Spotted Griffin |
White |
C |
| Steam Catapult |
White |
R |
| Swords to Plowshares |
White |
U |
| Temple Acolyte |
White |
C |
| Veteran Bodyguard |
White |
R |
| White Knight |
White |
U |
| Wild Aesthir |
White |
C |
| Wild Griffin |
White |
C |
| Acid Rain |
Blue |
R |
| Air Elemental |
Blue |
U |
| Animate Artifact |
Blue |
U |
| Blue Elemental Blast |
Blue |
U |
| Braingeyser |
Blue |
R |
| Cloud Dragon |
Blue |
R |
| Cloud Spirit |
Blue |
C |
| Control Magic |
Blue |
R |
| Copy Artifact |
Blue |
R |
| Counterspell |
Blue |
C |
| Drain Power |
Blue |
R |
| Drowned |
Blue |
C |
| Energy Flux |
Blue |
U |
| False Summoning |
Blue |
C |
| Giant Tortoise |
Blue |
C |
| In the Eye of Chaos |
Blue |
R |
| Mahamoti Djinn |
Blue |
R |
| Mystic Decree |
Blue |
U |
| Owl Familiar |
Blue |
C |
| Phantasmal Forces |
Blue |
C |
| Phantasmal Terrain |
Blue |
C |
| Power Artifact |
Blue |
R |
| Prodigal Sorcerer |
Blue |
U |
| Reconstruction |
Blue |
C |
| Sea Serpent |
Blue |
C |
| Serendib Djinn |
Blue |
R |
| Sleight of Hand |
Blue |
C |
| Soldevi Machinist |
Blue |
U |
| Stasis |
Blue |
R |
| Symbol of Unsummoning |
Blue |
C |
| Talas Researcher |
Blue |
U |
| Theft of Dreams |
Blue |
U |
| Thing from the Deep |
Blue |
R |
| Transmute Artifact |
Blue |
R |
| Water Elemental |
Blue |
U |
| Black Knight |
Black |
U |
| Cyclopean Mummy |
Black |
C |
| Dakmor Plague |
Black |
U |
| Dark Ritual |
Black |
C |
| Deathgrip |
Black |
R |
| Demonic Hordes |
Black |
R |
| Demonic Tutor |
Black |
R |
| Dread Reaper |
Black |
R |
| Dread Wight |
Black |
U |
| Ebon Dragon |
Black |
R |
| Foul Spirit |
Black |
C |
| Gate to Phyrexia |
Black |
U |
| Gloom |
Black |
R |
| Gravebind |
Black |
C |
| Guardian Beast |
Black |
R |
| Hasran Ogress |
Black |
C |
| Howl from Beyond |
Black |
C |
| Junún Efreet |
Black |
U |
| Lich |
Black |
R |
| Lim-Dûl's Cohort |
Black |
C |
| Minion of Tevesh Szat |
Black |
R |
| Overwhelming Forces |
Black |
R |
| Prowling Nightstalker |
Black |
C |
| Rain of Daggers |
Black |
R |
| Scavenging Ghoul |
Black |
U |
| Sengir Vampire |
Black |
U |
| Sinkhole |
Black |
R |
| Soul Shred |
Black |
C |
| Terror |
Black |
C |
| Warp Artifact |
Black |
C |
| Weakness |
Black |
C |
| Wicked Pact |
Black |
U |
| Word of Command |
Black |
R |
| Xenic Poltergeist |
Black |
U |
| Zombie Master |
Black |
U |
| Aladdin |
Red |
R |
| Ali from Cairo |
Red |
R |
| Artifact Blast |
Red |
C |
| Atog |
Red |
C |
| Bird Maiden |
Red |
C |
| Detonate |
Red |
U |
| Devastation |
Red |
R |
| Fire Imp |
Red |
U |
| Fire Tempest |
Red |
R |
| Fireball |
Red |
U |
| Fork |
Red |
R |
| Goblin Bully |
Red |
C |
| Goblin Cavaliers |
Red |
C |
| Goblin Caves |
Red |
C |
| Goblin Firestarter |
Red |
C |
| Goblin General |
Red |
U |
| Goblin Shrine |
Red |
C |
| Goblin Warrens |
Red |
U |
| Gorilla War Cry |
Red |
C |
| Last Chance |
Red |
R |
| Lava Flow |
Red |
C |
| Mijae Djinn |
Red |
R |
| Ogre Taskmaster |
Red |
C |
| Orcish Mechanics |
Red |
U |
| Primitive Justice |
Red |
U |
| Red Elemental Blast |
Red |
U |
| Roc of Kher Ridges |
Red |
U |
| Rock Hydra |
Red |
R |
| Rockslide Ambush |
Red |
C |
| Sedge Troll |
Red |
R |
| Shivan Dragon |
Red |
R |
| Smoke |
Red |
R |
| Thunder Dragon |
Red |
R |
| Two-Headed Giant of Foriys |
Red |
U |
| Wheel of Fortune |
Red |
R |
| Alluring Scent |
Green |
C |
| Argothian Pixies |
Green |
C |
| Argothian Treefolk |
Green |
U |
| Bee Sting |
Green |
U |
| Channel |
Green |
R |
| Citanul Druid |
Green |
C |
| Crumble |
Green |
C |
| Cyclone |
Green |
R |
| Deathcoil Wurm |
Green |
R |
| Drop of Honey |
Green |
R |
| Elite Cat Warrior |
Green |
C |
| Fastbond |
Green |
R |
| Fog |
Green |
C |
| Force of Nature |
Green |
R |
| Gaea's Avenger |
Green |
U |
| Giant Growth |
Green |
C |
| Instill Energy |
Green |
U |
| Ironhoof Ox |
Green |
C |
| Kudzu |
Green |
U |
| Lifeforce |
Green |
R |
| Living Lands |
Green |
R |
| Radjan Spirit |
Green |
U |
| Regrowth |
Green |
R |
| Sandstorm |
Green |
C |
| Scarwood Bandits |
Green |
R |
| Scavenger Folk |
Green |
C |
| Southern Elephant |
Green |
C |
| Squall |
Green |
U |
| Sylvan Tutor |
Green |
U |
| Titania's Song |
Green |
R |
| Tsunami |
Green |
R |
| War Mammoth |
Green |
C |
| Whiptail Wurm |
Green |
U |
| Wild Ox |
Green |
U |
| Wood Elemental |
Green |
R |
| Aesthir Glider |
|
C |
| Al-abara's Carpet |
|
R |
| Alchor's Tomb |
|
R |
| Amulet of Kroog |
|
C |
| Armageddon Clock |
|
R |
| Ashnod's Altar |
|
R |
| Basalt Monolith |
|
U |
| Book of Rass |
|
U |
| Bottle of Suleiman |
|
R |
| Brass Man |
|
C |
| Bronze Horse |
|
U |
| Candelabra of Tawnos |
|
R |
| Celestial Sword |
|
U |
| Clay Statue |
|
U |
| Clockwork Avian |
|
U |
| Clockwork Gnomes |
|
U |
| Clockwork Swarm |
|
C |
| Colossus of Sardia |
|
R |
| Coral Helm |
|
U |
| Cyclopean Tomb |
|
R |
| Diabolic Machine |
|
U |
| Dragon Engine |
|
C |
| Ebony Horse |
|
C |
| Ebony Rhino |
|
C |
| Floodwater Dam |
|
R |
| Flying Carpet |
|
C |
| Gauntlet of Might |
|
R |
| Glasses of Urza |
|
C |
| Grapeshot Catapult |
|
U |
| Horn of Deafening |
|
U |
| Ice Cauldron |
|
R |
| Icy Manipulator |
|
U |
| Jade Monolith |
|
R |
| Juggernaut |
|
U |
| Kormus Bell |
|
R |
| Library of Leng |
|
C |
| Living Wall |
|
U |
| Mana Matrix |
|
R |
| Mana Vault |
|
R |
| Mightstone |
|
C |
| Naked Singularity |
|
R |
| Obelisk of Undoing |
|
R |
| Obsianus Golem |
|
C |
| Onulet |
|
C |
| Pentagram of the Ages |
|
U |
| Planar Gate |
|
U |
| Primal Clay |
|
C |
| Rakalite |
|
R |
| Ring of Renewal |
|
R |
| Scarecrow |
|
U |
| Shapeshifter |
|
U |
| Sol Ring |
|
R |
| Soldevi Golem |
|
U |
| Staff of Zegon |
|
C |
| Tablet of Epityr |
|
C |
| Tawnos's Wand |
|
C |
| Tawnos's Weaponry |
|
U |
| Tetravus |
|
R |
| Time Vault |
|
R |
| Triassic Egg |
|
R |
| Urza's Chalice |
|
C |
| Urza's Miter |
|
R |
| Vibrating Sphere |
|
R |
| Weakstone |
|
U |
| Yotian Soldier |
|
C |
| Badlands |
|
R |
| Bayou |
|
R |
| City of Brass |
|
R |
| Elephant Graveyard |
|
U |
| Library of Alexandria |
|
R |
| Maze of Ith |
|
R |
| Mishra's Workshop |
|
R |
| Oasis |
|
C |
| Plateau |
|
R |
| Savannah |
|
R |
| Scrubland |
|
R |
| Strip Mine |
|
R |
| Taiga |
|
R |
| Tropical Island |
|
R |
| Tundra |
|
R |
| Underground Sea |
|
R |
| Urza's Mine |
|
L |
| Urza's Mine |
|
L |
| Urza's Mine |
|
L |
| Urza's Mine |
|
L |
| Urza's Power Plant |
|
L |
| Urza's Power Plant |
|
L |
| Urza's Power Plant |
|
L |
| Urza's Power Plant |
|
L |
| Urza's Tower |
|
L |
| Urza's Tower |
|
L |
| Urza's Tower |
|
L |
| Urza's Tower |
|
L |
| Volcanic Island |
|
R |
Cards of Discussion:
Channel -
Joshua will be taking over this discussion point, since hammy left it blank. Channel is one of my favorite cards. I know that it has been on MTGO before, in the FT V Exiled set, but looking at the art for this card reminds me of a time when things were much easier. I remember playing with friends at the lunch table before school started and blowing them out with Channel Fireball deck. *sighs* To be young again!
Armageddon -
Being as this already exists, I suspect that this will fall a bit lower for a while, being as we're about to get a lot more of them back into the system. On top of that... there aren't a lot of decks that really need a lot of these. Expect these to fall a bit lower and stay low.
All 10 Duals -
Good idea. These are necessary to Legacy, Classic and Vintage. I've already seen a complaint about cheapening the value of MED2 and 3. Which is completely valid.... and there are already enough problems with getting people into eternal formats on MTGO... high price dual lands is not another one we need. And for the record, I have a set of all of them, and I'm perfectly okay with them dropping in price if it means that MTGO eternal formats have just that much more of a chance of getting new players.
Balance -
Not really 'hard' to get now, but better access to a card like this is a good thing.
Fastbond -
A new addition to MTGO with MED 4, and a powerful, powerful card in many formats. Restricted in Vintage and banned in Legacy... so powerful and so combo-licious!
Fork -
Another new addition to the game with MED4, with the new Reverberate card, the old school Fork lost a lot of its potency for AWESOME!!! But it's still a great addition to MTGO. Commander gets another solid Red copy effect. Good stuff.
Mishra's Workshop -
Banned in Legacy, legal in Vintage/Classic. I expect the same to happen on MTGO's Banned and restricted lists. The card is potent and powerful, and has moved metagames singlehandedly. I expect nothing less on MTGO.
Regrowth -
Speaking of Combos... Regrowth loves them! An EDH/Commander staple and a ridiculous effect for the cost. This was the Eternal Witness of the game before Eternal Witness showed up... and that one Green mana can and does make a difference the older and older the format you're playing in.
Sol Ring -
This already exists thanks to the From the Vault set, but it's nice to have a non-super-foil-new art version in the system. There will be a lot of people hunting for these due to the nostalgia factor of the original art.
Sylvan Tutor -
An extra worldly tutor is awesome for singleton deck formats and just to have another option in older formats. Nothing crazy, just a great redundant effect for fun formats.
Time Vault -
The opposite of the above Sylvan Tutor... this guy is uber-strong combo guy all over the place. He kept getting errata-broke and errata-fixed in the past... now he's just crazy good in some strange combo-licous decks.
Word of Command -
I'm kind of surprised to see this guy in here... such a strange card and a weird ability... the last weird card they tried to shoe horn into a MED set was Chains of Mephistophophostophostopholes. Or whatever. And that was broken for pretty much a year or two... I think. It's all kind of fuzzy now.. Just know that Word of Command won't pose as many issues as Chains did... but I do expect there to be issues at first with this ability. Just a guess.
Card Price Discussion:
Null Rod decided to hippity hoppity up up up this week. Not sure why, exactly, but probably on speculation of the Power 9, since it succinctly hoses them if you play it turn one or two. Jace, oh Jace... you suck. Moving on. Primeval and Grave titan move up a bit, thanks to ramp decks getting more and more popular, I guess.
The only really big dropping card was Ajani Vengeant... and he tanked HARD. Not sure why... he's still solid in Extended. As much as he was last week, anyway. Not sure what just happened there.
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65 Comments
Those missing cards are alt art Urzatron. You just listed 269/269 cards.
Hi Erik, I always read you, but this time my jaw dropped instantly. I have just purchased all the duals but Tropicals and Undergound Seas, because they were too expensive. The average cost was 12 to 15 for every dual, 21 for savannahs and 26 for tundras. How much have am I going to loose?? :(
You only lose if you sell them right now. If you bought them to play with, you've lost nothing. The only thing I'm terribly sad about is that I found a bot offering 24 for an extra Taiga I had, but it wanted a bunch of extra crap. By the time I got rid of the extra cards the offer was gone :'(
Sadly probably 5 tix off the 12-15 ticket duals, as much as 10-15 tix off of savannahs/tundras...
I'm bummed today too man...=/
Pre this news, approx prices for Multi's were
Seas 39
Tundra 28
Taiga 27
Savannah (this is an odd one - a while ago was 15) 21
Plateau 14
Badlands 13
Tropical Island 26
Volcanic Island 14
Scrubland 12
Bayou 13
Baneslayer Angel is a reprint went from 30 for a M10 to 10 for a M11 for an example of a reprint effect. Whether multi's will see this (and for how long) is the question a lot will wait to see next year.
Granted this is a approximate average - MTG has prices which move constantly. Already prices have fallen 4 tix or so on most of the upper priced ones. Expect them to be the big losers if any.
Today was a sad day for us MTGOers.
Fork was already online as a promo... But how about Wheel of Fortune. Get your Liliana's Caress decks ready. Or Mana Vault. Or Overwhelming Forces for Timmy in the casual room. There are a lot of exciting cards in this set. But of course I must follow that with "but it doesn't have power."
it does have 9 mysterious unspoiled cards!
I guess it doesn't, so the 12 art versions of the urzas lands fix the total count of cards.
boo..........
Yeah, the 9 "missing" cards are the alternate art for the Urzas lands (4 each in antiquities). This was confirmed by a twitter post from a wizards employee today.
I can't wait for the first idiot to play Stasis + Seedborn Muse on multiplayer games. (Will it be me? X-D)
Other than that, i'm worried about the workshop and what will it do to the classic meta.
But besides of those, the set is full of fun casual cards.
Opponent I choose you! word of command!
Stasis: players don't have an untap step
Seedborn Muse: untap your permanents during each other players' untap
In other words, the "combo" doesn't work.
Stasis + Forsaken City works
Stasis + Mind Over Matter works
Stasis + BoP + Instill Energy works (same set, barring the Birds)
Stasis + Chronatog works
Add Root Maze, Frozen AEther or Loxodon Gatekeeper to any of these to complete the lock.
ups. I was so sure that the muse said upkeep.
But my point still stands, why oh why did they have to unleash that card onto the casual hordes?
OMG!! Is there really no way to destroy an enchantment in the set?!?!
A quick search seems to indicate: two rare ways to prohibit them being played, and two uncommon ways to destroy them if they're red or blue (plus one way to change the colour of something - if it's yours!). and that's all to see folks.
Man.. Goblin warrens is going to be awesome!
Yup, I noticed that, too.. No way to destroy enchantments. So watch out, I'm gonna ping you with Warp Artifact and finish you off with Cyclone!
wooooo leeches
take that infect...
sorta
cuz erryone runnin legacy infect
praps useful against skittles in edh though.
Well, it is a sexy burning wish target at a FFA table, it's bound to get some smiles.
Ok. I have no problem with them reprinting duals. It helps players get into the format. I am trying to reenter the format after a 2 year hiatus. Last night I picked up a pair of tropical islands for 20 each and daze for 8 each (before i heard about the reprinting). This set will help me out.
Now that being said....WHY WASNT FOW REPRINTED? So that want a bunch of new players for legacy but at the moment have to spend $300 on a playset of FOW's if they can find them. WOTC must want FOW to hit $150. If they had reprinted FOW this would of been a homerun for the new player looking to get into legacy.
The example of Baneslayer reprinting is really not accurate. Right now Baneslayer Angel has no real deck. I think that is the reason for the low cost now. If tomorrow the best deck in standard had Baneslayer Angel in it then you would see the price climb and climb. The duals on the other hand are used in every deck. SO their playability will never be a factor. I think and this is my opinion only...Undergournd Sea will be $30, Tundra and Tropical Island $20. The rest around $9-$12.
P.S. I really want sinkhole!
I'm excited for this. I am going to draft this set a lot, something I've never done for a master's edition set before. I've wanted to get into legacy for a while and hopefully this set will be what can ease the pain of getting the duals.
Also, there is something wrong with your Ajani Vengeant data because I'm pretty sure at no time last week was he trading for 20 tickets. If anything, I'd say he gained about a ticket to hit the 7.50 mark. And if you look at his price chart there is clearly something wrong there.
2 weeks ago I got 3x Ajani Vengeant here for 15 so its really off.
Its the promo that this refers to.
Best thing to happen for me on MTGO, original art Sengir Vampire and Demonic Tutor. Cannot wait.
I'm happy to see Atog at common for pauper affinity decks.
Conversion - Rare, why? The original was uncommon and it's just as bad. I don't like setting fire to four dollars.
Leeches - Rare. At least you won't see this card often in draft. That's good because it can't be used in a draft of this set: zero poison creatures.
It seems like each color has 2-3 rares that will see play after the draft is over, most of which are restricted. The other colored rares are junk. The Lands color is the big winner; maze, 10 duals, workshop.
Except for Balance and Armageddon, the white rares are universally horrible.
Green has fastbond and regrowth.
Red has Wheel and Fork.
Black has Sinkhole, tutor, and a few kitchen table fun cards (hordes, word of command).
Blue has Stasis and Serendib.
Berserk - not reprinted. Still only available from FTV: E.
Sorrow's Path - not reprinted. We can be thankful for that.
>>Berserk - not reprinted. Still only available from FTV: E.<<
And the early ME sets.
Everything I wanted to see here was here and more, personally I feel this set seems a lot better then the previous MEs, but I agree after seeing the reprint of the dual lands it seems a mistake to have left FoW off
my wish list for ME5: Jeweled Bird ggkthx
Never will see the ante cards I am afraid.
A guy can always dream right?
My wish is Equinox.....
ME4 will be great for the casual Legacy/Classic players because of the reprinting of the dual lands. If the power 9 was reprinted, I doubt they would leave them unbanned in 100 singleton or classic tribal. I think this will be great for 100 singleton because it will lower the main cost of entry into the format for any deck other than mono-colored weenie decks.
I must admit that this is pretty bad news for tournament spikes who want classic to turn into Vintage.
Yep, I'm bummed >.<
It seems that it depends on which side of the fence you are on when it comes to the reprint of the Duals. IF you already have them, you are sad, while those who don't have them or the ones they need are happy to see a reprint.
I just don't understand this way of thinking. Those who own the duals are the ones who play Classic and Legacy. And surely they want more new faces joining their ranks. And when some expensive cards get reprinted and become available to the masses, they become... sad? Really?
You can't say "Hey join Legacy it's so much fun!" and then get sad because more people will be able to join Legacy. That's absurd!
Or do I get it all wrong? Do they want to be left alone? Do they want that Legacy and Classic remain as a "Club for the Privileged"? If that's the case, then yeah, today is definitely a bad day.
But otherwise they should be happy that at least some of the cards that prevent people from playing Legacy will be available to more players. More affordable cards = more new faces. And that's a good thing, right?
LE
Without FOWs reprints, the overall cost is not going to change anyway. For every dollar you save on the duals, FOWs is going to sky rocket. Especially, if new players are introduced.
funny thing there is that force is not required for legacy nor is it needed for all decks. whereas its a given fact that all non mono decks function better with dual lands. So the price of force only affects people that want to play those decks. personally i would never play force so legacy for me just got cheaper.
I'm with Eman and ShardFenix on this one. I almost exclusively play multiplayer formats.
Is it wrong that I want to build a 5 color white based deck using tithe and knight of the white orchid?
what about people wanting to play prismatic, singleton or commander?
Not everyone wants the duals for competitive play, and even then, not everyone wants to play control strategies.
I don't understand that "lost value" complaint I keep hearing from people. Last night watching a game with a dude and his foil duals complaining about lost value. Let's be honest here people it is only lost value if you were using them as a constant good, ie buying and reselling them constantly. Honestly you're going to be using them to play with and not resell whether they were reprinted or not. You're talking about lost value when you decide to sell your collection at some mythical point in time in the future if it ever does come and by then the prices could have changed due to any number of other factors.
Well perceived lost value in people's minds equates the actual lost value. Because they used to have those lands smug in the certainty that if they decided to get out or revamp their collection to do something else they could sell off those duals for the premium prices they were at. Now they don't have that confidence and also a free license to gripe about losses (valid though it is) is never wasted.
I know, just like all those people whining about their homes losing their value when the housing bubble burst. If they don't plan on moving, who cares if its value tanked. [/sarcasm] Really, though, I think people do have a right to be unhappy, primarily for reasons Paul mentioned above. Take yourself, JustSin, as an example. I'm sure you didn't foresee/expect/want to sell off your collection several months ago, but things change, and the real loss of liquidity in one's collection may be important in the future even for those not planning to sell today.
@Paul: don't you realize how ridiculous that sounds? perceived becomes actual? i believe something to be true therefore it is?
@MMogg: The oddity of the game is that these cards are the same as a house or stocks, they are an investment and prices don't stay stable, they change. There is no such thing as a sure investment. Where this differs from your "joke" about housing is that there is an additional obtained value to the cards because its a game and if you sell them you get monetary value and when you hold them they have play value, which can't really be numerically assigned.
"Well perceived lost value in people's minds equates the actual lost value." <---what I said. In people's minds is not an empty phrase. It modifies something. As in
"In people's minds this equates the actual lost value."
Find something better to do with your time than miscomprehend what is perfectly clear if you just take the time to parse it.
Lets put the claws away :P
defensive much?
(@Paul) Paul made perfect sense and you were rude. A perceived loss is when you know your assets have lost value. But the loss isn't realized until you actually sell it for less and actually report to the IRS that you lost money. He didn't make those words up.
I still like your articles. :)
i understand they are real words and you misunderstand when you assume tone of voice to text, there was nothing rude about my comment merely what i saw as an ironic sidebar
Some event prize structures encourage this type of attitude. It's really kind of sad.
The weekend challenges in particular encourage the player base to get just enough players to make it fire, but every player after the minimum number simply dilutes the prizes. This gets really hairy with the top 8 style of events where people are always losing out on prizes due to tiebreaker points. Not to mention that a 6+ hour tournament with a top 8 play-off is not the mostly friendly type of environment for a new player.
These are the main reasons I don't really like the weekend challenges. I'm in the minority in this opinion, but that's because the prizes are crazy good with a 24 people turn-out.
I want growth in the classic based formats, specifically 100 singleton, but some players just seem interested in farming the weekend challenges for all they're worth.
There is definitely an elitist divide between those who want to encourage new blood and those who like being able to play with expensive cards not many others have. But also some people probably look at those cards as an investment which in this case has just become a situation where they either panic sell now or hold and hope it rises again so that if they do want to get out at sometime they still can afford to.
Our sadness is because instead of the P9 which we were all clamoring for we got duals which we already had and in some cases spent quite a bit on. so we didn't get what we want and what we already had lost value.
And duals weren't the bottleneck... anyone who wanted to play could have easily obtained the ones they need. most decks require 6-7 duals and a bunch of fetches. Doesn't come close to the price of 4x FoW.
So oeverall this is still a net postive for legacy/classic as it will get more players... but the hardcore Classic players all had their hopes up for p9.
Yeah it's not about keeping new players out. New players are good. But wizards could have given the experienced players power in ME4 and just done more regular ME123 drafts & sealed to get more duals out.
Really I'm just repeating Danger's thoughts in his great new article on Classic Quarter.
I'm with LE on this one, I currently don't have the duals because I sold them all, but a couple weeks ago I did have them and I still would feel the same about the reprint