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State of the Program for November 22nd, 2019
 
In the News

Banned:  It was a real bloodbath this week in bans as three cards in Standard, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Once Upon a Time and Veil of Summer were removed from the format.  Now the community waits as the outcry to ban Teferi, Time Raveler and Fires of Invention reaches a fevered pitch.  Oko was also banned in Brawl. Modern saw no changes, but Wrenn and Six was removed from Legacy, and Narset, Parter of Veils was restricted in Vintage.  For reasonings, go here

No Action in Pioneer:
After the other formats were dealt with Wizards went out to lunch and we waited for Pioneer.  Nothing changed there this week, and they do not intend to make changes during Pioneer week, but they might!

Secret Lair: 
Another product, this time, thought to be a Loot Crate (hopefully without the bankruptcy) style offering will be revealed next week.  You can see some clues about it here

Challengers of Mythic Championship VII: 
The Challengers for the next Arena MC are up, and you can learn some about them here. Congrats to all the worthy competitors! 

The Timeline

This is a list of things we have been promised, or we just want to see coming back. Another good source for dates and times is the calendar and the weekly blog, while the best source for known bugs is the bug blog which appears sporadically on MTGO.com. Not listed, but important: Wizards offers either one or two online MCQs each weekend, with qualifiers for limited MCQs running the days immediately prior to the MCQ.
 
Upcoming Events
Dates
Scheduled Downtimes
December 2, 2019
Constructed Leagues End
January 15, 2020
Sealed Leagues End
January 16, 2020
Next B&R Announcement
December 16, 2019
Throne of Eldraine Redemption
Begins October 23, 2020

Ends March 11, 2021
Theros: Beyond Death
January 24, 2020
Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths
April 24, 2020
Core Set 2021
Zendikar Rising
Third Quarter 2020
Fourth Quarter 2020
2018 Magic Online Championship Series and other events
Complete details, including schedule, rules, and which online events qualify you for which online or paper events is here. In addition, Wizards will be offering these special formats:

Pioneer Week - Pioneer PTQs start daily for a week on November 25th!
Modern Format Playoff - November 30th
Pauper Format Playoff - December 1st
Vintage Format Playoff - December 7th
Legacy Format Playoff - December 8th
Standard PTQ - November 22nd
Pioneer MOCS Playoff - November 23rd
Limited PTQ - November 24th

 
Magic Online Format Challenges
These are high stakes events that happen every weekend. They cost 25 Tix / 250 play points, and last a number of rounds based on participation (assume 5-8), plus a single elimination Top 8. Details, including prize payouts, are here. Start times are:
 
Event Type
Start Time
Saturday, 8:00 am PT 
Saturday, 10:00 am PT
Sunday 6:00 am PT
Sunday, 8:00 am PT
Sunday, 10:00 am PT
 
The Hot Take Corner

Nothing this week, as when I sat down to write the article on Thursday, my stomach was rolling so badly I thought I was going to have to take a promethazine to get through the day.  Thankfully that didn't happen, but I am so sick and exhausted right now, that writing this section would be awful. 

Next week I am taking a Thanksgiving break from the article. 

Cutting Edge Tech

Standard: This is the winning deck from Twitch Rivals.  Just a solid Golgari Adventures deck!


Brawl:  Brawl is in this weird place, it's supposed to be a multiplayer format, but it's feels like it's mainly played as a 1v1 thing.  I don't think Wizards knows what they are doing with Brawl. 


Legacy:  People say that Legacy is dead, but to those people, I counter with, Ninjas. 


Modern: Getting in to Modern now, that everything has dropped could lead to a lot of fun Magic! 


Pauper:  A cheap aggro deck that looks to Voltron a creature?  This is a fun strategy that gets overlooked in Pauper, mostly because Bogles are playable there, but with the next Theros, this might get a little better!


Pioneer:  This is what I am going to play first in Pioneer week.  I figure Emry, Lurker of the Loch is super good, and getting to recur Smuggler's Copter is nice.  There is a ton of neat little plays and most of them work well with Prized Amalgam.  Self Mill feels like a powerful thing in the format, Leyline of the Void of course is a predator, but working around shouldn't be to hard right? 


Vintage: It's Survival of the Fittest without Survival, or Dredge without Dredgers.  Eternal players just constantly blow my mind.  This deck looks like an absolute blast! 



 
Winner's Circle

The Winner's Circle is where I will recognize winners of the past events on MTGO.
Pioneer Challenge - Diem4x took mono black aggro to first place
Pauper Challenge - A_AdeptoTerra won with Tron.
Modern PTQ - Congrats to 3HDgamers for qualifying with Green Tron!
Legacy Challenge - Falkoneye played Echo Artifacts to the win!
Vintage Challenge - kasa buried the opposition with Dredge.
Modern Challenge - tangrams won with Eldrazi Tron.
Pioneer PTQ -
SknerusMcKwacz won with Bant Field.     

Around the Web

MTGOTraders YouTube:  Did you know that MTGOTraders.com has a YouTube page with videos added Monday, Wednesday and Friday?  Well if not, now you do, and you can find it here

I wrote a piece for LegitMTG that went over two turns I took in the Twitch Rivals event.
Seth Manfield says Green is the worst color in Standard after the bans.
Eric Moyer makes a great suggestion for a Ban Watch list.

Card Prices
Note: all my prices come from the fine folks at MTGOTraders.com. These are retail prices, and generally the price of the lowest priced, actively traded version. (Prices for some rare promo versions are not updated when not in stock, so I skip those.) You can get these cards at MTGOTraders.com web store, or from their bots: MTGOTradersBot(#) (they have bots 1-10), CardCaddy and CardWareHouse, or sell cards to MTGOTradersBuyBot(#) (they have buybots 1-4). I have bought cards from MTGOTraders for a decade and a half now, and have never been overcharged or disappointed.
 
Standard Staples: Nissa, Who Shakes the World left the list, and we had a few new additions thanks to some cards being freed, now that everything isn't a 3/3 Elk anymore.

Standard Cards Price Last Week Change % Change
Oko, Thief of Crowns $56.52 $48.18 $8.34 17%
Brazen Borrower $19.78 $25.00 ($5.22) -21%
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King $11.84 $7.74 $4.10 53%
The Royal Scions $6.33 $5.24 $1.09 21%
Questing Beast $7.32 $12.19 ($4.87) -40%
Once Upon a Time $10.32 $10.61 ($0.29) -3%
Fabled Passage $5.04 $5.59 ($0.55) -10%
Rankle, Master of Pranks $6.07


Arclight Phoenix $15.12 $23.10 ($7.98) -35%
Assassin's Trophy $8.22 $9.70 ($1.48) -15%
Vraska, Golgari Queen $4.65 $5.15 ($0.50) -10%
Chandra, Awakened Inferno $21.23 $24.77 ($3.54) -14%
Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord $24.72 $29.38 ($4.66) -16%
Leyline of the Void $6.13 $7.04 ($0.91) -13%
Cavalier of Night $7.71 $8.40 ($0.69) -8%
Vivien, Arkbow Ranger $68.77 $61.41 $7.36 12%
Yarok, the Desecrated $4.99 $5.68 ($0.69) -12%
Ajani, Strength of the Pride $6.54 $6.34 $0.20 3%
Kethis, the Hidden Hand $5.40 $6.53 ($1.13) -17%
Knight of the Ebon Legion $8.26 $5.62 $2.64 47%
Hydroid Krasis $7.72 $9.56 ($1.84) -19%
Deputy of Detention $5.91 $7.21 ($1.30) -18%
Kaya, Orzhov Usurper $7.17 $6.69 $0.48 7%
Teferi, Time Raveler $63.70 $57.35 $6.35 11%
Finale of Devastation $8.39 $8.47 ($0.08) -1%
Karn, the Great Creator $21.10 $19.36 $1.74 9%
Finale of Promise $6.99 $7.74 ($0.75) -10%
Dreadhorde Arcanist $16.62 $18.24 ($1.62) -9%
Blast Zone $18.40 $21.58 ($3.18) -15%
Illharg, the Raze-Boar $10.44 $10.69 ($0.25) -2%
Gideon Blackblade $6.34 $7.61 ($1.27) -17%
Liliana, Dreadhorde General $4.78 $5.77 ($0.99) -17%
Modern Staples: Phyrexian Obliterator has dropped off, a few old faces are back, and Modern feels like a format people can buy in to and have a blast with.

Modern Cards Price Last Week Change % Change
Engineered Explosives $9.69 $11.16 ($1.47) -13%
Cavern of Souls $9.89 $10.02 ($0.13) -1%
Noble Hierarch $5.34


Mishra's Bauble $18.00 $16.00 $2.00 13%
Aether Vial $5.44 $5.70 ($0.26) -5%
Trinisphere $5.95 $6.10 ($0.15) -2%
Horizon Canopy $6.47 $7.80 ($1.33) -17%
Tarmogoyf $4.86 $5.27 ($0.41) -8%
Liliana of the Veil $12.62 $12.97 ($0.35) -3%
Snapcaster Mage $5.68 $5.40 $0.28 5%
Polluted Delta $6.06 $5.19 $0.87 17%
Wooded Foothills $3.88 $3.59 $0.29 8%
Flooded Strand $3.91 $3.53 $0.38 11%
Bloodstained Mire $4.29 $3.67 $0.62 17%
Windswept Heath $2.69 $3.00 ($0.31) -10%
Thoughtseize $16.56 $18.81 ($2.25) -12%
Force of Negation $60.05 $46.40 $13.65 29%
Wrenn and Six $38.09 $86.94 ($48.85) -56%
Prismatic Vista $19.99 $16.95 $3.04 18%
Sunbaked Canyon $12.82 $13.12 ($0.30) -2%
Seasoned Pyromancer $8.60 $8.62 ($0.02) 0%
Fiery Islet $5.82 $6.04 ($0.22) -4%
Urza, Lord High Artificer $19.39 $18.44 $0.95 5%
Ranger-Captain of Eos $4.36 $5.46 ($1.10) -20%
Hexdrinker $8.02 $8.14 ($0.12) -1%
Plague Engineer $15.80 $12.32 $3.48 28%
Force of Vigor $10.45 $9.68 $0.77 8%
Collector Ouphe $12.57 $12.31 $0.26 2%
Giver of Runes $6.76 $6.88 ($0.12) -2%
Ice-Fang Coatl $8.43


Chalice of the Void $8.55 $10.54 ($1.99) -19%
Karn Liberated $11.14 $11.09 $0.05 0%
Surgical Extraction $9.84 $10.29 ($0.45) -4%
Mox Opal $22.34 $22.09 $0.25 1%
Ensnaring Bridge $8.99 $11.52 ($2.53) -22%
Gemstone Mine $11.94 $13.11 ($1.17) -9%
Jace, the Mind Sculptor $19.71 $18.36 $1.35 7%
Scalding Tarn $11.40 $11.24 $0.16 1%
Verdant Catacombs $7.94 $10.57 ($2.63) -25%
Misty Rainforest $9.57 $9.02 $0.55 6%
Arid Mesa $4.14 $3.72 $0.42 11%
Marsh Flats $2.44 $2.96 ($0.52) -18%
Eternal Staples:  Added Daze and Submerge to the list.  Not sure how the Legacy ban or Vintage restriction impacted the formats.

Eternal Format Cards Price Last Week Change % Change
Dark Depths $8.23 $5.78 $2.45 42%
City of Traitors $24.74 $27.68 ($2.94) -11%
Monastery Mentor $9.79 $10.54 ($0.75) -7%
Sylvan Safekeeper $4.82 $5.69 ($0.87) -15%
Force of Will $25.37 $28.02 ($2.65) -9%
Land Tax $6.70 $7.12 ($0.42) -6%
Unmask $12.70 $8.31 $4.39 53%
Misdirection $10.33 $10.33 $0.00 0%
Daze $5.12


Submerge $5.09


Entomb $8.81 $8.83 ($0.02) 0%
True-Name Nemesis $8.31 $7.09 $1.22 17%
Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow $15.31 $14.29 $1.02 7%
Mox Diamond $19.33 $21.07 ($1.74) -8%
Altar of Dementia $7.82 $8.04 ($0.22) -3%
Grindstone $9.22 $9.32 ($0.10) -1%
Wasteland $15.67 $17.18 ($1.51) -9%
Ancient Tomb $8.61 $9.15 ($0.54) -6%
Lotus Petal $11.26 $10.16 $1.10 10.83%
Grim Monolith $14.39 $15.58 ($1.19) -8%
Exploration $16.17 $16.35 ($0.18) -1%
Show and Tell $9.47 $9.95 ($0.48) -5%
Gaea's Cradle $10.70 $11.43 ($0.73) -6%
Sneak Attack $8.44 $9.25 ($0.81) -9%
Time Spiral $6.23 $6.29 ($0.06) -1%
Ancestral Recall $1.19 $2.54 ($1.35) -53%
Black Lotus $6.68 $8.54 ($1.86) -22%
Mox Emerald $1.29 $1.99 ($0.70) -35%
Mox Ruby $1.52 $2.26 ($0.74) -33%
Mox Pearl $1.09 $2.13 ($1.04) -49%
Mox Sapphire $2.72 $3.48 ($0.76) -22%
Mox Jet $1.33 $1.80 ($0.47) -26%
Timetwister $1.86 $2.38 ($0.52) -22%
Time Walk $1.19 $2.24 ($1.05) -47%
Volcanic Island $8.54 $8.28 $0.26 3%
Badlands $1.94 $1.77 $0.17 10%
Tropical Island $3.39 $4.22 ($0.83) -20%
Bayou $3.21 $2.16 $1.05 49%
Tundra $0.98 $1.32 ($0.34) -26%
Savannah $0.91 $0.70 $0.21 30%
Scrubland $0.79 $0.39 $0.40 103%
Plateau $0.50 $0.61 ($0.11) -18%
Taiga $0.59 $0.57 $0.02 4%
Underground Sea $8.92 $7.51 $1.41 19%
Sol Ring $6.05 $6.45 ($0.40) -6%
Mana Crypt $2.42 $2.54 ($0.12) -5%
Mana Vault $2.63 $2.55 $0.08 3%
Pauper StaplesTortured Existence fell off, nothing new came on.

Pauper Cards Price Last Week Change % Change
Serum Visions $0.76 $1.13 -$0.37 -32.74%
Wild Growth $1.19 $1.30 -$0.11 -8.46%
Merchant Scroll $4.17 $4.22 -$0.05 -1.18%
Standard Bearer $2.30 $2.75 -$0.45 -16.36%
Ninja of the Deep Hours $1.49 $1.22 $0.27 22.13%
Martyr of Ashes $1.24 $1.26 -$0.02 -1.59%
Skred $0.76 $1.43 -$0.67 -46.85%
Flaring Pain $2.76 $2.43 $0.33 13.58%
Prismatic Strands $1.52 $2.08 -$0.56 -26.92%
Pyroblast $1.49 $2.16 -$0.67 -31.02%
Hydroblast $1.98 $2.40 -$0.42 -17.50%
Mystic Remora $4.64 $3.89 $0.75 19.28%
Spidersilk Armor $2.16 $2.56 -$0.40 -15.63%
Ancestral Mask $3.95 $4.24 -$0.29 -6.84%
Cho-Manno's Blessing $1.01 $1.44 -$0.43 -29.86%
Land Grant $1.47 $2.40 -$0.93 -38.75%
Snuff Out $3.03 $2.68 $0.35 13.06%
Reverent Silence $7.16 $6.73 $0.43 6.39%
Moment's Peace $3.81 $3.98 -$0.17 -4.27%
Rhystic Study $2.43 $2.59 -$0.16 -6.18%
Sunscape Familiar $0.79 $1.21 -$0.42 -34.71%
Entourage of Trest $2.71 $3.25 -$0.54 -16.62%
Thorn of the Black Rose $6.32 $8.56 -$2.24 -26.17%
Palace Sentinels $3.63 $4.47 -$0.84 -18.79%
Custodi Squire $3.70 $3.26 $0.44 13.50%
Ash Barrens $2.07 $2.18 -$0.11 -5.05%
Manamorphose $1.27 $1.24 $0.03 2.42%
Evincar's Justice $0.98 $1.12 -$0.14 -12.50%
Crop Rotation $1.38 $1.64 -$0.26 -15.85%
Exhume $2.51 $2.80 -$0.29 -10.36%
Pestilence $4.17 $5.39 -$1.22 -22.63%
Impulse $1.68 $1.45 $0.23 15.86%
Quirion Ranger $2.26 $2.34 -$0.08 -3.42%
Pioneer StaplesSoul-Scar Mage came off the list this week.  Sphinx's Revelation took it's place though.  Pioneer feels like it is settling down, and is in a good spot for Pioneer week. 

Pioneer Cards Price Last Time Change % Change
Walking Ballista $13.41 $15.05 ($1.64) -11%
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar $10.41 $11.63 ($1.22) -10%
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger $9.81 $10.88 ($1.07) -10%
Courser of Kruphix $5.67 $5.81 ($0.14) -2%
Teferi, Hero of Dominaria $5.43 $7.94 ($2.51) -32%
Voice of Resurgence $5.85 $5.71 $0.14 2%
Kolaghan's Command $7.66 $7.37 $0.29 4%
Collected Company $6.83 $9.25 ($2.42) -26%
Liliana, the Last Hope $20.69 $21.08 ($0.39) -2%
Collective Brutality $7.92 $12.09 ($4.17) -34%
Emrakul, the Promised End $8.04 $8.23 ($0.19) -2%
Grim Flayer $5.48 $8.04 ($2.56) -32%
Breeding Pool $4.04 $6.87 ($2.83) -41%
Stomping Ground $4.25 $5.06 ($0.81) -16%
Godless Shrine $1.17 $1.67 ($0.50) -30%
Sacred Foundry $0.84 $0.73 $0.11 15%
Watery Grave $1.21 $2.29 ($1.08) -47%
Mana Confluence $12.90 $19.72 ($6.82) -35%
Eidolon of the Great Revel $10.79 $15.30 ($4.51) -29%
Spirebluff Canal $7.84 $11.52 ($3.68) -32%
Chandra, Torch of Defiance $10.55 $11.27 ($0.72) -6%
Bomat Courier $4.51 $8.40 ($3.89) -46%
Blooming Marsh $4.32 $4.37 ($0.05) -1%
Botanical Sanctum $4.27 $5.88 ($1.61) -27%
Scavenging Ooze $11.24 $15.65 ($4.41) -28%
Mutavault $14.87 $15.14 ($0.27) -2%
Goblin Rabblemaster $8.34 $10.36 ($2.02) -19%
Nexus of Fate $28.35 $39.89 ($11.54) -29%
Field of the Dead $23.53 $18.16 $5.37 30%
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet $17.80 $27.38 ($9.58) -35%
Thought-Knot Seer $9.53 $7.47 $2.06 28%
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar $10.52 $11.16 ($0.64) -6%
Kozilek's Return $3.10 $6.03

Jace, Vryn's Prodigy $19.08 $22.38 ($3.30) -15%
Hangarback Walker $4.56 $6.47 ($1.91) -30%
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth $6.60 $6.72 ($0.12) -2%
Sphinx's Revelation $8.96


Rest in Peace $4.95 $10.26 ($5.31) -52%
Supreme Verdict $6.71 $12.46 ($5.75) -46%
Hallowed Fountain $3.53 $4.24 ($0.71) -17%
Steam Vents $3.23 $4.11 ($0.88) -21%
Blood Crypt $3.33 $2.94 $0.39 13%
Overgrown Tomb $1.59 $1.36 $0.23 17%
Temple Garden $1.03 $1.03 $0.00 0%
Abrupt Decay $5.96 $6.28 ($0.32) -5%
Relentless Dead $5.81 $10.07 ($4.26) -42%
Tireless Tracker $5.34 $6.59 ($1.25) -19%
Thassa, God of the Sea $3.45 $6.39 ($2.94) -46%
Elspeth, Sun's Champion $6.82 $6.92 ($0.10) -1%
Standard Legal Sets: This table tracks the cost of a single copy of every card in each Standard legal set, plus Treasure Chests and the current booster pack. I’ll keep tracking these because they are interesting (at least to me).  This is being kept as a small tribute to Pete!

Complete Set Price Last Week Change % Change
Guilds of Ravnica $68.88 $81.07 ($12.19) -15%
Ravnica Allegiances $75.52 $82.32 ($6.80) -8%
Treasure Chest $2.31 $2.33 ($0.02) -1%
War of the Spark $205.49 $207.17 ($1.68) -1%
Throne of Eldraine Booster $3.01 $3.07 ($0.06) -2%
Core Set 2020 $261.89 $257.97 $3.92 2%
Modern Horizons $267.18 $289.01 ($21.83) -8%
Throne of Eldraine $180.95 $175.97 $4.98 3%

The Good Stuff
The following is a list of all the non-foil, non-promo cards on MTGO that retail for more than $25 per card. These are the big ticket items in the world of MTGO.  The list is interesting, at the least. This is interesting to me because a lot of these cards have been reprinted more than once, and they are still commanding a high price. 

Black Lotus 1E Rare 336.77
Mox Sapphire 1E Rare 153.45
Mox Emerald 1E Rare 118.8
Mox Ruby 1E Rare 103.62
Ancestral Recall 1E Rare 101.68
Mox Pearl 1E Rare 89.6
Mox Jet 1E Rare 87.99
Karn Liberated UBT Mythic 84
Time Walk 1E Rare 78.28
Vivien, Arkbow Ranger M20 Mythic 68.77
Timetwister 1E Rare 66.87
Teferi, Time Raveler WAR Rare 63.7
Force of Negation MH1 Rare 60.05
Oko, Thief of Crowns ELD Mythic 56.52
Liliana of the Veil UBT Mythic 53.29
Dark Depths V16 Mythic 43.58
Dark Depths UBT Mythic 43.43
Snapcaster Mage UBT Mythic 41.55
Noble Hierarch UBT Mythic 39.55
Wrenn and Six MH1 Mythic 38.09
Unmask V16 Mythic 37.96
Jace, the Mind Sculptor MS4 Mythic 37.4
Liliana, the Last Hope MS4 Mythic 34.23
Thoughtseize IMA Rare 30.79
Nexus of Fate M19 Mythic 28.35
Dark Depths UMA Mythic 27.18
Celestial Colonnade UBT Mythic 26.95
Cavern of Souls UBT Mythic 26.85
Tarmogoyf UBT Mythic 26.25
Teferi, Hero of Dominaria MS4 Mythic 25.53
Force of Will MED Rare 25.37
The big number is the retail price of a playset (4 copies) of every card available on MTGO. Assuming you bought the least expensive versions available, the cost of owning a playset of every card on MTGO is approximately a number that I cannot figure out still. I have actually asked Pete to do this for me, because Open Office is weird, and I have no idea what I am doing, and I am pretty close to just being a dog in a labcoat.

Nevermind, ignore all of that, Pete got it done for me, because he is just the dang best. The big number this week is 18762.  Last week the number was 19435.  It was time for a loss, and this week with the bannings, 673 dollars was snapped out of existence.  It's not as bad as it has been in the past, and the ticket buy price went down, but again, not as bad as it was in the past.  It will be some time I think, and I hope, before we see people buying tickets for .25 per again 

 
In Closing

I spent most of Monday getting ready for Twitch Rivals, played it in on Tuesday with Jund Food.  Finished 51st, which was worth 300 dollars. Wrote a piece on Wednesday, wrote a piece on Thursday, and in general have not felt well in a few days.  This weekend is Thanksgiving for me and Cassius, since he would be in Tennessee during our normal weekend, and the third awesome weekend in a row I get with him.  Things are good, therapy is great, progress with not smoking is being made, and I am just so pleased with things. 

This series is an ongoing tribute to Erik “Hamtastic” Friborg.

 

5 Comments

Odd Pricing by Paul Leicht at Fri, 11/22/2019 - 17:31
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Vivien, Arkbow Ranger M20 Mythic 68.77 <---wow this is incredible. Why is this card so pricy??

Because of monogreen by Kumagoro42 at Sat, 11/23/2019 - 09:00
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Because of monogreen dominating Pioneer?
She was on the rise in Standard as well, many decks had a few copies in the sideboard at the last Mythic Championship. She makes the difference between a Beanstalk Giant being nullified by a token or winning the game on the spot. And she kills planeswalkers without wasting any resource (except loyalty).

Because no one opened M20 on by Cheater Hater at Sat, 11/23/2019 - 12:11
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Because no one opened M20 on MTGO.

Because no wants to spend by JXClaytor at Sat, 11/23/2019 - 16:43
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Because no wants to spend money on cards anymore, and with the rise of lending services, cards will spike like this as lending services look to get their demand met.

Coupled with the lack of people opening product, spikes like this will happen.

I am almost positive it is what happened to Wrenn and Six

All these answers are by Paul Leicht at Sat, 11/23/2019 - 16:50
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All these answers are disturbing and ring true :(