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Oct 14 2014 12:22pm
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Episode 293

Hosts: Joshua and AJ

Episode Length: 1:02:46



Friday Night Magic revamped: Every format pretty much ever is now legal

Regional PTQ sites announced:  Qualify for one and get a super sweet Liliana of the Veil promo.  When will MTGO get super sweet PTQ promos?  

Wotc Broke Pauper:  Hymn to Tourach and other paper commons are legal after a filter messup. Expected fix is the 22nd.
Standard Pauper is broken as well



Sorin, Solemn Visitor: 23.35
Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker: 22.94
Wingmate Roc: 16.27
Flooded Strand: 11.55
Dig Through Time: 10.53
Polluted Delta: 8.83
Siege Rhino: 8.53
Windswept Heath: 8.29
Mantis Rider: 4.88
Anafenza, the Foremost: 4.79


Question of the Week:Will the FNM changes have an impact for you?


Whatcha been playin’:

Joshua:  So.  Much.  Standard.  Tried very hard to qualify for the Standard PTQ over the past weekend.  I did but not after going 3-2 with Izzet Ensoul twice, 1-3 with Temur Tempo and finally getting qualified with a 4-1 with Todd Anderson's Azorious Soul Blade.  I then went 3-4 in the PTQ with Jeskai Tokens.  When not playing Standard, I was busy drafting, because this limited format is outstanding, or trading cards I was not using in old formats for cards I will probably not use in Standard.  


AJ: Jeskai Clan ain’t nuthing ta F wit’!  Monk tribal deck featuring Human Ascendant, Soratami Ascendant and Serra Ascendant, alongside Narset, Enlightened Master. Turns out Erayo is really easy to flip when you can cast up to 4 spells free a turn. Also, Narset Commander, because didn’t you just hear me say up to 4 spells free a turn?


Questions? Comments? Constructive Criticisms?


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Great cast as always fellows. by Paul Leicht at Tue, 10/14/2014 - 18:25
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Great cast as always fellows. I expect Pauper will get fixed sooner than Tribal wars. As for the casual formats I don't think they will affect my play much as I don't play in FNMs and the last time I did regularly they were draft format. (Back when I wrote for neutralground.net.)

As for prices, you mentioned lotus dropped quite dramatically but what is really odd/worrisome is that all the vma set is lagging from what it was before VMA went offline. Does this mean now that it isn't easy access players are just selling out and leaving the format behind? I know there are die hards and people like me who will keep their cards anyway but it seems like a good many have abandoned the format.

Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

As far as I can tell, the by TheKidsArentAlright at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 04:42
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As far as I can tell, the format is being abandoned. DE attendance is way down, and even pickup games in the TP room are getting harder and harder to come by. Enderfall wrote An Open Letter to Mike Turian (link: http://www.mtgoacademy.com/utv-76-open-letter-to-mike-turian-regarding-t... ) that identifies the issues facing Vintage on MODO and proposes a number of solutions. Many of the sentiments in his letter have been echoed by the TMD community as a whole. The whole thing is worth a read, but the Cliff's Notes pertaining to your question are as follows:

-V3 to V4 transition lost players.
-The prize structure of DEs is too low stakes and the timing is not friendly for any area of the world with a significant Vintage playerbase.
-Vintage suffered multiple format-breaking bugs in the M15 patch that took weeks to fix.
-The demographic that plays Vintage is less tolerant of bugs and crappy software.
-The "honeymoon" is over and people are returning to other formats, especially since Standard recently rotated into what looks to be a much more interesting format and KTK has shaken up Modern as well.

I don't want to sound like too much of a downer, so I'll leave you with the following comment made by Magic Designer Ethan Fleischer on a similar thread on TMD regarding the possibility of Vintage Leagues.

"I sit two desks away from the primary designer of the new leagues feature, and I've participated in a couple of playtests myself. I can't reveal any details, but they look to be very well designed for busy grownups like most of us, who want to compete on our own timetable. I'll double check and make sure the MTGO folks know that Vintage players want Vintage leagues!"

tx for the insight - by Bartimäus at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 05:07
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tx for the insight - especially the last para; one of the few lights in a nasty downward spirale

Excellent link, thank you. by AJ_Impy at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 06:31
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Excellent link, thank you. I've considered trying more vintage myself, but the cost/benefit of vintage only cards compared to amount of play I'd get out of them is prohibitive for me, especially for cards I can't use in formats like Commander. Nonetheless, one day getting a set of Power is on my to do list.

Leagues could well be the game changer we need. I remember when we had them the first time around, and they were perfect for me, the flexibility of not having a time constraint harnessed to a casual yet competitive format, slowly evolving the deck over time and reshaping it at leisure. It is imperative that we know what we're getting in this regard, and we're running out of 2014.

Agreed about leagues. I by TheKidsArentAlright at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 07:22
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Agreed about leagues. I think they could be exactly what Vintage needs and I was really encouraged to read Ethan's comment. The Vintage population is by and large adults with "9 to 5" jobs and can't set aside hours at a time to play events on a regular basis. I remember the old league structure accommodating this pretty well, especially for someone like me who works odd hours and cannot play in DEs. My only real wish is that they revamp the tiebreaker system into one that does not reward endless grinding.

One of the few things we do by AJ_Impy at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 07:31
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One of the few things we do know about them is the grindy aspect has been taken care of, although as yet we don't know how.

Wow I didn't really expect by Paul Leicht at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 16:19
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Wow I didn't really expect such a comprehensive answer. Somewhat depressing to have my fears confirmed though the leagues bit is a slight bright spot. The real question that remains then is: What else is WOTC going to do about it? And the corollary is What can we do to help them do the right thing?

What is WotC going to do by TheKidsArentAlright at Thu, 10/16/2014 - 03:04
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What is WotC going to do about it? The cynic in me says "nothing". They've made their money off of the format. Now that VMA is out of the store and they have a new set to sell, they don't give a rat's ass what becomes of Vintage. The sad part is I know individuals within the company care and want it to do well, Ethan in particular. He's gone above and beyond in becoming a sort of unofficial liaison between WotC and TMD. It just seems like these guys get stifled by bean counters, corporate inertia, or some other unseen force too often to really effect change.

What can we do to help them help us? At this point, I kind of feel like the ball is in their court. Several TMDers have the ears of various WotC employees in addition to Ethan's. The issues Enderfall outlined have been communicated multiple times prior to his open letter. The powers that be are aware of the situation; it's up to them to do something about it.

You should be aware that this by Paul Leicht at Thu, 10/16/2014 - 04:15
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You should be aware that this topic became a part of my next article here as I was writing it when your response came in. I used your response in particular as a launch point for the discussion. Should be out around Friday or so.

The pauper fix is set up for by JXClaytor at Wed, 10/15/2014 - 02:43
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The pauper fix is set up for the 22nd of this month, so only one more week of bleh.

I think the format is being abandoned.