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Welcome to another edition of Yawgmoth's Soap Opera (YSO) the Classic Related Podcast bought to you the community. You can find us each week on Puremtgo.com with updates on Thursday. In addition to the podcast we produce brief show notes to accompany the cast (see below) and welcome listener feedback and views via the comments, email, twitter or in-client PM's.

The Regular Co-Hosts are all members of Magic Online Clan "Magic Eternal"
George Efelis  (whiffy penguin) 
Andy Phillips - (Hammer_Eternal) or (Eternal_Hammer)
Zach Whitten - (The_Hoff) or (abstrakt66)

 

Mono Blue Control
Per Cronin
Creatures 
Vendilion Clique 
Blightsteel Colossus 
2 cards

Other Spells 
Mana Crypt 
Time Vault 
Spell Pierce 
Brainstorm 
Lotus Petal 
Tinker 
Tezzeret the Seeker 
Mental Misstep 
Mana Vault 
Back to Basics 
Sol Ring 
Mental Misstep 
Jace, the Mind Sculptor 
Propaganda 
Voltaic Key 
Force of Will 
Mana Drain 
38 cards
Lands 
Strip Mine 
Ancient Tomb 
Wasteland 
Island 
Island 
Polluted Delta 
20 cards

Back to Basics

 

 

 The point Structure
1- 5 pts
2- 4 pts
3, 4, 5- 3 pts
6, 7, - 2 pts
8, 9, 10 - 1 pt

Thanks to the following people for commenting with your top 10 lists in YSO 32.
MMogg 
 walkerdog
Tarmotog
menace13
aaronm67
Montolio
Cronin
GainsBanding
apaulogy
bactgudz
enderfall
And the CQ data base of top 10 cards played in Classic.

COMPOSITE LIST
58 Force of Will
41 Bazaar of Baghdad
35 Mishra's workshop
30 Tinker
28 Yawgmoth's Will
24 Brainstorm
21 Wasteland
 16 Demonic Tutor
14 Fetch lands/Dual lands
12 Oath of Druids
11 Dark Confidant
10 Sol Ring
10 Leyline of the Void
Time Vault
7 Lodestone Golem
Qasali Pridemage
Vampiric Tutor
5 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Lotus Petal
Nature's Claim
Strip Mine
3 Mana Crypt
3 (Tendril's of Agony)
2 Necropotence
2 Fastbond
2 Gush
2 Spell Pierce
1 Balance
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Leyline of Sanctity



The first three quarters of Classic.

Quarter 1. 27 Events

   

 
Deck
Total
POY Pts.
Top 1
Top 2
Top 4
Top 8
4 Wins
3 Wins
1 Stax 43 76 1 0 0 1 11 30
2 Oath 23 38 0 1 0 0 4 18
3 Dredge 17 23 0 0 0 1 2 14
4 Fish 12 22 0 0 1 0 3 8
5 Jacerator 11 15 0 0 0 0 2 9
6 Rogue 9 13 0 0 0 1 1 7
7 GW haterade 8 14 0 0 1 0 1 6
8 Storm 5 9 0 0 0 1 1 3
9 Tezzerator 4 6 0 0 0 0 1 3
10 Dark Times 4 6 0 0 0 0 1 3
11 Classic Storm 3 5 0 0 0 0 1 2
12 Merfolk 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2
13 Madness 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2
14 GRO 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

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Quarter 2. 7 Events 

 

 
Deck
Total
POY Pts.
Top 1
Top 2
Top 4
Top 8
4 Wins
3 Wins
1 Oath 11 15 0 0 0 0 2 9
2 Fish 8 12 0 0 0 0 2 6
3 Shop Aggro 8 8 0 0 0 0 0 8
4 Storm 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 5
5 Rogue 3 7 0 0 0 0 2 1
6 Dredge 1 3 0 0 0 0 1 0
7 Stax 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
8 Merfolk 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
 

Quarter 3. 11 Events

 

 
Deck
Total
POY Pts.
Top 1
Top 2
Top 4
Top 8
4 Wins
3 Wins
1 Fish 19 44 1 0 2 1 6 8
2 Oath 14 13 0 0 0 1 1 8
3 Shop Aggro 10 10 0 0 0 0 1 7
4 Dredge 9 8 0 0 0 0 1 5
5 Jacerator 8 8 0 0 0 1 0 6
6 Rogue 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 5
7 Storm 3 7 0 1 0 0 0 1
8 Stax 2 2 0 0 0 1 0 0
9 Tezzerator 1 3 0 0 0 0 1 0
10 StewDredge 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
 

 

The Results

Season 1 July 6th - July 28th
1st Work Shop
2nd Work Shop
3rd Work Shop
4th Gush Control
5th Dredge
6th Oath
7th LED Storm
8th 4c Fish

Season 2 August 28th - September 20th
1st Oath
2nd Dredge
3rd Oath
4th  Hate
5th Goblins
6th Hate
7th Hate
8th Shop
 

 Steel Cage. One and done :(

 

 

 

Feedback - What do you like about YSO, what would you like added or changed? Please give us any suggestions for classic relevant topics to cover. Any special guests you would like to see - Let us know! You can contact us in the comments below or via Twitter @Magic_Eternal or @WhiffyPenguin or email us as "YSOPODCAST at Gmail dot com"  

Just as a reminder, there are Classic Daily Event's every Saturday at 12:30 pm est time and Sunday at 6:30 pm est time.

Zach, George and Andy - Proud Members of Clan Magic Eternal See you in 7.

 

 YSO is sponsored by MTGOTRADERS.com and hosted by PUREMTGO.com. 

5 Comments

Don't forget the Classic by GainsBanding at Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:05
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Don't forget the Classic Daily on Wednesdays at 3:30p Pacific. Perfect for West Coast slackers, Midwesterners with short commutes, East Coast 9-5ers, and European night owls!

Lots of good info, although I by MMogg at Thu, 10/06/2011 - 06:22
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Lots of good info, although I think a little too much time spent on the list discussion since you guys already went over your lists a few episodes ago. Regarding the lists, I found myself agreeing more and more with Zach. =/ What does that say about me? =p Some of Whiffy's view points are way too absolute, "If Lotus Petal were unrestricted in Vintage they would all use them instead of Moxen." Pretty bold statement.

And for the record, Menendian hasn't been going nuts over Past in Flames as you guys seem to infer. His response was actually quite measured and mirrors a lot of what Zach and Cronin said.

Ha ha at the place holder by whiffy at Thu, 10/06/2011 - 09:23
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Ha ha at the place holder name not getting changed, missed that in the final edit.

1. Sorry for the rushed ending, we were running into irl things and needed to ends it.

2. The best win condition in Vintage is Yawgmoth's Will (does anyone disagree) if the format had access to 4x Petal something has to give, maybe it would be lands, but then you open yourself up to worse Workshop match ups. Maybe not all moxes would be cut, but for example, in Vintage Tendrils, I am sure that Mox Emerald or Pearl might get cut for Petal # 2 or 3.

3. @ Past in Flames. Perhaps Smendian is reserved, but I have read Vintage articles that are based on the excitment of Past in Flames, No these decks arent jamming 4 past in flames. I have seen 2 or 3 articles that throw a copy in though so that they have access to a "2nd" Y Will. Im not saying its the end all be all of eternal magic, but think about this interaction if you will.

T1 Land, ritual, LED, crack led, discard Past in Flames,and then pay its flashback cost, you end up with 1 extra floating mana and a ritual in the yard to replay. Thats only four cards, so you still have 3 left in hand or yard depending on when you crack led. Say you have a 2nd led or a 2nd ritual and a tutor? then you can flash back your 2nd ritual or tutor for whatever you need? maybe minds desire, or yawg will to replay your leds and what not. That is all just t1, and that seems like a lot of potential, disregarding the fact that the example scenerio is not a dedicated PiF. Just my take.

If you have a tutor by dangerlinto at Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:06
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In your last scenario - if you have a tutor in your hand, why are you not just getting Yawgmoth's Will in the first place with a dimaond crack? If you don't have a tutor in hand, you need to have Tendrils of Agony (Mind's Desire seems out of reach since nothing with past in flames will get you the UU mana you need to play it, since you can't replay LED) in hand or yard to win.

In a deck ripe full of tutors, it's just really odd to care about having a secondary, more expensive lesser effect that will realistically require you to have a tutor to win anyway. And since I can't see Past in Flames working in another archetype where the tutoring is very low, I'm not sure it has a place anywhere.

Thanks for the shout outs by Tarmotog at Fri, 10/07/2011 - 05:05
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Thanks for the shout outs :)
I wanted to add that past in flames does not work in a current shell like with leds n such..
For it to work, u will have to utilize the proper spells.
For example, u will have rite of flame over petals, night's whisper over bob etc.

And also, i engage in counter wars cos i know i am more likely to recover from them ;p
The war over clique was primarily to shut down the active library in play not on my side.

Mental misstep is a very misplayed card. The problem is that pple are casting it against any legal targets on sight.
If u have real counter magic, u usually don't counter a tutor cos u can use misstep to guard against spell pierce or just plainly pitch it to fow.
Like any other counter magic, u need to evaluate when to use it based on the situation and the examples brought up highlight this point because they seem to suggest that any 1cc spell should be met by a mental misstep.

Before i go, i want to point out that blue has to be better than green ;)