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Welcome to another edition of Yawgmoth's Soap Opera (YSO) the Classic Related Podcast bought to you the community. You can find us each week on Puremtgo.com with updates on Thursday. In addition to the podcast we produce brief show notes to accompany the cast (see below) and welcome listener feedback and views via the comments, email, twitter or in-client PM's.

The Regular Co-Hosts are all members of Magic Online Clan "Magic Eternal"
George Efelis  (whiffy penguin) 
Andy Phillips - (Hammer_Eternal) or (Eternal_Hammer)
Zach Whitten - (The_Hoff) or (abstrakt66) 

De of 10/01

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/2873226

Merfolk
5x Oath
Elves
Mono Blue
Tezz/Jaeerator
UB Casual
WorkShop
Dredge
Illusions
4c fish
2x Join/Drop

 

De of 10/02

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/2873286

Partial wrap up ( signed off b4 putting in the wrap up)
5x Workshop
3x Oath
4c Control
snake city
led bob tendrils
Hermit Druid
Mono Blue Control
1 Join Drop

GGG Oath
Cat Weasel's tweaked it again
Creatures 
Blightsteel Colossus 
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 
2 cards

Other Spells 
21 lands
2 creatures
Brainstorm 
Cabal Therapy 
Demonic Tutor 
Dragon Breath 
Force of Will 
Gitaxian Probe 
Gush 
Jace, the Mind Sculptor 
Lotus Petal 
Mana Crypt 
Mana Vault 
Mental Misstep 
Mystical Tutor 
Oath of Druids 
Sol Ring 
Spell Pierce 
Time Vault 
Tinker 
Vampiric Tutor 
Voltaic Key 
37 cards
Lands 
Flooded Strand 
Forbidden Orchard 
Island 
Library of Alexandria 
Polluted Delta 
Strip Mine 
Tropical Island 
Underground Sea 
Volcanic Island 
Wasteland 
21 cards

Gush

 
  Feedback - What do you like about YSO, what would you like added or changed? Please give us any suggestions for classic relevant topics to cover. Any special guests you would like to see - Let us know! You can contact us in the comments below or via Twitter @Magic_Eternal or @WhiffyPenguin or email us as "YSOPODCAST at Gmail dot com"  

Just as a reminder, there are Classic Daily Event's every Saturday at 12:30 pm est time and Sunday at 6:30 pm est time.

Zach, George and Andy - Proud Members of Clan Magic Eternal See you in 7. 

 YSO is sponsored by MTGOTRADERS.com and hosted by PUREMTGO.com. 

 

16 Comments

First Mythic: Geist of Saint by Alternate at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 12:20
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First Mythic: Geist of Saint blah. Tons of removal, and a lot of good blue and white and a ton of great red.

Oh and Masques is coming back. RISHIDAN PORT'S FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!

So comes the inevitable conversation.... Which of these three is the best:

1) Wasteland
2) Rishidan Port
3) Dust Bowl.

wasteland ...it's not even by Ranth at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 15:04
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wasteland ...it's not even close

+ rebels, Bribery, Thrashing by Paul Leicht at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 17:24
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+ rebels, Bribery, Thrashing Wumpus, the mongers, and a ton of other fun cards.

It's just sad that the 2 by Alternate at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 17:56
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Thrashing Wumpus is the biggest bomb ever. (Love the card, but I am being facetious - Google it)

It's just sad that the 2 other sets after Masques are so terrible. But I bet that Rishidan port will be worth some money. If I'm right though the second set had Blastoderm? I don't remember too well. It was one of the last blocks I played.

I want them to bring back Invasion so I can get some Undermine's or Absorbes.

I don't much care about other by Paul Leicht at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:49
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I don't much care about other people's opinions on the card, it is a personal favorite. And imho it IS a bomb. (Why would I need to google it????)

I mean for people reading if by Alternate at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:17
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I mean for people reading if they didn't know what the word "facetious" meant. Haha. Not to you.

Just to point out, my blue by Tarmotog at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:28
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Just to point out, my blue deck is a prototype for a snapcaster build. Hence all the instant card drawing.
It was made with a vintage thirst for knowledge build (from yrs ago) as a base.
Tfk and fof have very little showing in classic so i wanted to see what numbers would work.
My testing for the more popular workshop variants busted out when i realised that my mox replacements were too bad for that deck to be viable.
With snapcasters, I would probably play claim in the sb to drop red out for a more stable mana base since snapcasters would let me replay them.
I sure hope that the events fire this week As i missed last week :(
Trini is extra guard vs dredge. Not sure if it works that way thou.

After opening and trying to by Alternate at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:49
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After opening and trying to play Geist of Saint Traint or however you spell it, it is bar-none one of the most overrated cards ever to get such an amazing amount of hype. Sold it for 13 and moved on.

Surprisingly in the INN sealed, I have seen some weird stuff.

1) Well this isn't weird, but it seems whoever gets invisible stalker out first wins.
2) Lilliana is garbage in Limited and I feel like she won't be so great in constructed.
3) Bonds of Faith, which I had up there as one of the better cards in the set, it's as good as I would like.
4) The blue Zombie flyers are really good in limited.
5) The flip cards other than the rare vampire are garbage since they can rarely turn.
6) In STD, red deck wins will be the most played deck.

7) If you opponent has 13 1/2 spider tokens and you have no creatures, top decking a Geistflame with 5 mana and he is down to 2 life will end up in you receiving a lot of hate mail from the opponent. It isn't my fault Geistflame is badass. I can't wait to upload that video to youtube, I'll send him the link.

Send it to me too - sounds by country hillbilly at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:18
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Send it to me too - sounds fun

Meh, I was pretty by MMogg at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:52
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Meh, I was pretty disappointed in the cast this week, to be honest, guys. Not only was the energy low, but also back to the same format of going over Daily Events in detail. >_< Hope you guys haven't so quickly lost the momentum to change and improve the cast.

I said the same after the by country hillbilly at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:14
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I said the same after the cast - so I agree %100. Next week's will be better ;)

Lots of Lilliana's by Alternate at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:15
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Has anyone else noticed the massive amount of Lilliana's going around but no talk of Garruk? I mean I have heard that during the pre-release there were more Lilliana's than usual, but I don't play paper. Am I just misled or is this true? Like is WotC trying to keep the price of this card down by putting more than usual in circulation?

I would love to know your guy's outcome from the sealed and see what the number of Garruks and Lilliana's were out there.

We had the opposite at our by Drbenwayy at Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:49
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We had the opposite at our paper pre release draft with at least Garruk's around (with me pulling a foil out of the first pack!!) but no Liliana. There were forty people there and no one came into contact with a Liliana during the swiss rounds unless one of those 2/3 quiet kids pulled one but didn't play it.

feedback by zaspacer at Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:15
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"Feedback - What do you like about YSO, what would you like added or changed?"

I would love to see timestamps added.

Here is an example from another podcast:
http://shoryuken.com/2011/09/28/wakeup-shoryuken-e074-tis-the-season-to-...

Timestamps give you:
1) a great reference point as you listen
2) a menu to choose from when you want to re-listen to certain sections
3) a valuable organization for archived casts so you can go back and see what they covered and find what you need
4) a great way for people to comment on a section and reference the relevant timestamp for others to reference
5) something for us visually cling to (like playlists and wedding programs) as we progress through it

I have done this week's Timestamp as an example:

Yawgmoth Soap Opera: Classic Related Podcast
by Andy, George, Zach

Timestamps by March:
00:00 - intro by Andy: podcast will cover 2 Classic Daily Events that fired week of 10-1-11 (Sat 10-1 & Sun 10-1)
00:43 - Discussion of KartinKen's 10-1-11 4-0 GG Oath (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
02:31 - Discussion of Hammer_Eternal's 10-1-11 3-1 Cat Weasel Oath (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
05:19 - Discussion of Cronin's 10-1-11 3-1 Mono-U Tezzerator (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
06:56 - Discussion of SarBashar's 10-1-11 3-1 Merfolk (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
08:05 - Discussion of Naoto's 10-1-11 3-1 4cc Tezzerator (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
11:49 - 10-1-11 Classic tournament overview Wrap-Up
13:20 - Discussion of the_crisp_one's 10-2-11 4-0 Slash Shop (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
15:00 - Tanglewire/Rishadan Port/Masques Block Discussion
17:22 - Discussion of Cat Weasel's 10-2-11 3-1 Gush Oath (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
20:51 - Discussion of patlam's 10-2-11 3-1 Metalworker Shop (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
22:38 - Discussion of LordSapphire's 10-2-11 3-1 Tezzerator (decklist: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
25:31 - 10-2-11 Classic tournament overview Wrap-Up
26:31 - Discussion of Hammer_Eternal's Snake City Vaults from 10-2-11 Daily Event
27:20 - Discussion of Whiffy Penguin's Bob Tendrils Storm from 10-2-11 Daily Event (more here: http://puremtgo.com/articles/penguin-tv-twofer-2-2)
30:53 - Discussion of Shimmer Myr for Shop
31:31 - Discussion of Innistrad (Limited and Classic)
44:19 - Thanks and closing out

If that's too much labor, then you can simplify it. It could be just:

Yawgmoth Soap Opera: Classic Related Podcast
by Andy, George, Zach

Timestamps by March:
00:00 - intro by Andy: podcast will cover 2 Classic Daily Events that fired week of 10-1-11 (Sat 10-1 & Sun 10-1)
00:43 - 10-1-11 Classic tournament top decks discussion (decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
11:49 - 10-1-11 Classic tournament overview Wrap-Up
13:12 - 10-2-11 Classic tournament top decks discussion (decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
25:31 - 10-2-11 Classic tournament overview Wrap-Up
26:31 - Discussion of Hammer_Eternal's Snake City Vaults and Whiffy Penguin's Bob Tendrils Storm from 10-2-11 Daily Event
31:31 - Discussion of Innistrad (Limited and Classic)
44:19 - Thanks and closing out

Or the even simpler version:

Yawgmoth Soap Opera: Classic Related Podcast
by Andy, George, Zach

Timestamps by March:
00:43 - 10-1-11 Classic tournament top decks discussion (decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
13:12 - 10-2-11 Classic tournament top decks discussion (decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital...)
31:31 - Discussion of Innistrad (Limited and Classic)

we have started time by Clan Magic Eternal at Fri, 10/14/2011 - 09:42
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we have started time stamping, or at least attempting to. I did the last 2 or 3 episodes, but i dont always have the time to do it inbetween the time the cast is edited and submitted to pure. I will do it whenevers i have the day off as i stated in a previous cast.

at Mogg,

i dont think your comment about staleness is really fair. We had two events and not much else as far as content. couldnt find a guest and on top of this we talked about innistrad hitting the digital shelves.

every week cant have a million things in it, especially when there is no releveant topics to discuss.

sorry you didnt enjoy this weeks.

george

First of all, I never said it by MMogg at Fri, 10/14/2011 - 16:18
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First of all, I never said it was stale. Stale means the same thing for a long time, and it WAS stale before. I like how you guys seemed to change gears and get away from the stale old format, but this week you slipped up and fell back into your old comfort zones of going over the DEs. My comment comes as an alarm bell NOT to lose gained ground and thereby fall back into a staleness. My fear, in short, is that the cast will *become* stale.

Actually, honestly, two DEs fired is precisely the reason not to cover them in such mechanical depth. When Classic is on the upswing, you want to capitalize on that by providing dynamic and engaging coverage. When you say how each week can't have a million things in it AND there are no relevant topics... wow... that's when you have to put your thinking caps on about how to frame the discussion. It's not only about the raw information delivered, but also the framing of how it's delivered.

Lastly, the cast is slightly schizophrenic regarding feedback. On the one hand you have Zach, who is generally open to it, and on the other hand there is George, who is very defensive and argumentative about it. George, you often get your back up over constructive criticism instead of just taking it on board and thinking it over. I don't expect everything I say to be taken as gospel, but I am a listener (and a pretty loyal one considering I have never missed a cast) who is trying to provide feedback to improve the quality and direction of the cast, not a random troll. When people asked for time stamps the first time, you fought with them. I posted the time stamps the following cast, and then you started time stamping afterwards (for a couple episodes) and now someone again is asking for them. People who take time to give feedback often do so because they care, not because they are just trolling. If you want more feedback from the listeners, I think you have to be a little more receptive, and no, receptive doesn't mean accept everything, but at least not get your back up so much. <3