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Oct 03 2011 11:37pm
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Innistrad Prerelease Details

TMNO for November will be Go for the Throat

The Top 32 decks from SCG Indy (first peek at the new standard)


Soon to be standard all-stars:

Lord of the Unreal - 0.65 and Sold out
Phantasmal Image - 3

Seachrome Coast - 3.75
Darkslick Shores - 3
Razorverge Thicket - 2
Blackcleave Cliffs - 1.3
Copperline Gorge - 1

Predictioneer’s Game (price after release championship ~2-3 weeks):


Liliana of the Veil - 18      A:Higher    S:Higher
Garruk Relentless - 22     A:Same    S:Higher
Geist of Saint Traft - 8     A:Higher     S:Higher


Snapcaster Mage - K:8.5    A:Much Higher    S:Much Higher, but settle there
Stromkirk Noble - K:2.5      A: Slightly Higher        S:Push/Higher
Moorland Haunt - K:3         A:Higher                 S:Same
Kessig Wolf Run - K:4       A:Same                S: should be higher, but head says lower   

Whatcha been playin’:

Keya: Not much, just looking ahead to the arrival of INS.
AJ: Archons at the weekend, finished in the money.
Seb: No Magic this week, but will be playing Standard!


Waiting...and durdling by apaulogy at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 13:24
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I am in the same boat...waiting, not playing etc...

Great show again, gentlemen.

Seb, I checked out your blog. Good stuff.

Look forward to next week's installment.

My assessments of INN "chase cards"

Garruk- Probably debut at 20-25, then stabilize at 12-15
Liliana- Debut at 30, then stabilize at 18-20
Snapcaster Mage- Debut way too high, then stabilize at about 8-10
Geist- Debuts at about 12-15, then down to 5
Kessig Wolf-Run- Probably will go as high as 5-7, then will be a $2-3
Moorland Haunt- Debuts at 3-4, then drops to 1-2...

Not that you asked for it :D

Swap Garruk and Snapcaster by walkerdog at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 17:36
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Swap Garruk and Snapcaster prices. Double Liliana. Also Moorland will spike more than Wolf-run imo. Geist will be 8+ for a while.

I've been drafting a lot. I by Alternate at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 14:51
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I've been drafting a lot. I have been winning a ton of 4-3-2-2 SOM drafts.

Just yesterday I won and opened a Batterskull and Inkmoth Nexus and I have been rare drafting a ton of SOM dual lands. And the Swiss SOM drafts guarantee you a 3-0 if you know what you are doing because there are a ton of (PS3 speak) "noobs" on there.

M12 is worthless right now.

And I found a cool free website that allows you to practice draft Innistrad so I have been doing that a lot since I don't play paper and don't want to go into the pre-release reading every card and trying to figure out what the hell to do.

I also built my Snapcaster Mage deck before INN comes out.

But I have a question.

Which is better for the U/B control deck:

Frost Titan because I like that it's hard to kill and if you do it uses up your opponents manners.
Consecrated Sphinx because it lets me draw.

I'm conflicted. I mean I love the late game combo of Titan and Phantasmal Image.

Btw, am I really seeing people playing Illusion decks with Snapcaster and the Big blue flying Zombie?

**Oh and to all the people who made fun of my white weenie deck, look at the current deck lists. White weenie Human decks are one of the big decks out there. Didn't want to say "told you so".... Haha.

Re: Control Finisher I think by gamemaster32 at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 17:34
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Re: Control Finisher

I think that it will depend on how the meta ends up shaking out. My gut tells me that to start, you should have some combination of grave titan and sphinx, bc they seem like that are the superior choices. Depending on how other decks adapt to the control deck, I can see considering Frosty (who I love), Wurmcoil, and to a lesser extent, Army of the Damned as options to explore for ending the game. I think all of these will get some time in the sun in the future standard.

What, no love for your Rays now that they are in the offseason? :P j/k brother.

The Rays put up a good fight by Alternate at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 17:48
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The Rays put up a good fight and they will be scary next year with Matt Moore and Desmond Jennings starting the season. If I was the AL, I would be scared.

Oh and I think Frost Titan is the most overlooked Titan. I Tempered Steel can't deal with him because it is usually low on mana, Red Burn doesn't have the burn to deal with him, and control decks hate tapping mana.

And nobody will admit it, but Wurmcoil Engine is the 6th Titan. Easily reprinted in M13. It's just the bastard brother on the other Titans mothers, brothers, dads poodle side of the family.

Frost Titan is tough but he by Paul Leicht at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 18:16
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Frost Titan is tough but he lacks permanent effect so people dislike him. Also clone says my "clone beats your titan". As does Metamorph and Illusion. That isn't to say I don't like him. Love his ability and it is a beatstick with a soft counter built in.

Clone effects by apaulogy at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 18:29
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Remember when they were bad?

We are in an era of turning creatures sideways, indeed.

I think Frosty performs better in a meta of Titans (in a world of Titans, the one that taps them down is king. Bad idiom!)

Otherwise, I think Consecrated Sphinx gets the nod when grinding card advantage is more important...

I think U/x decks should all run 1-2 clones too. It is just too easy to trump other control decks with this. Phantasmal Image is probably the best in a vacuum.

What are you talking about. by walkerdog at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 21:30
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What are you talking about. Everyone calls him the sixth titan.

I believe that was hyperbole by Paul Leicht at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 23:52
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I believe that was hyperbole on Alternate's part. :)

Liliana Prices by Bugsy at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 18:27
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I think you guys might be under valuing her. Ebay auctions are closing for right around $60.00 and foils are at $100.00+. She really shot up today. I know that modo prices are different than paper but unless the price crashes in the next week and a half she is going to be the most expensive card in Innistrad.

Hell, Stormkirk Noble has shot up to over 10 bucks as everyone wants to build a red deck.

Hype by apaulogy at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 18:48
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Paper tends to get more hype than MTGO. By the time that a new set hits digital shelves, the hype mostly dies down.

Liliana is good, but in my testing that is all she was. Barring interactions with Sun Titan, she fits in niche decks still.

Digital cards =/= Paper cards.

Koth was $50 to start IRL. Then within 2 weeks he was 30. Except the fact that he saw a recent resurgence will mean he might hit $25 again, until red gets hated out of the meta again...

Same with Venser but -$10.

Here is an Ebay Trend chart for Koth

Here is the same one for Venser

I attribute the Stormkirk and Liliana prices to people netdecking/porting from tournaments and hype that hasn't died down yet.

I mean, the set has been released for a whole 4 days

The problem with using ebay by gamemaster32 at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 19:06
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The problem with using ebay is that paper prices are never even close to MTGO prices. It is too easy for cards to move hands and there are endless drafts firing. Since the drafter to competitive constructed player is........let's say 500:1 for fun, there will always be ppl willing to sell for cheap if it means they get their next fix...i mean draft.

I am not saying Liliana isn't a great card. I'm not saying she won't be something like 40 few days. What we were saying is that after 2-3 weeks of the nonstop pack opening carnage that is the release events, Lili will come back to earth with the rest of the digital cards (for those of us that consider 15-20 to be back to earth).

Koth and Venser were hammered by walkerdog at Tue, 10/04/2011 - 21:27
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Koth and Venser were hammered by being in competition with Swords and Jace and Goblin Guide and BEING REPRINTED IN A DD (When it was announced, both dropped quite a bit).

Just buy swords. by Alternate at Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:22
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You might as well just buy the Swords now and forget every other card out there. This is probably the cheapest they will be for 6 months. I mean the artifacts in M12 were miserable, and the equipment in Innistrad is OK for limited, terrible for constructed.

$20 looks cheap right now. I would think they will go wayyyy over the heads of Garruk and Snapcaster Mage.

I'm worried I will never get a sword of War and Peso's. I don't feel like paying around 100 for a play set.

And Koth might go up. It's the Red Planeswalker of choice and it is much better than Chandra. I don't get why her final ability is so damn weak. I mean you can cast it, for example, turn 4. It isn't easy to get it up to 6, and even then you just want to only use it's second ability.

And don't count out Venser WalkerDog. I think he is making a comeback, and this time it's personal. He even has a posse now, and runs with the Wu Tang Clan.

*And Goblin Guide was reprinted in Dungeons and Dragons (DD)?

Duel Decks by apaulogy at Wed, 10/05/2011 - 13:31
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Venser and Koth are in Duel decks, not D & D (haha)

Goblin Guide was too. That what Tyler was referring to.

I think you might be right about the swords. They are going to be the only saving grace for all the weenie creatures currently in standard that are competing with Titans (yes,I am counting Wurmcoil here, sir)

I also agree that Venser is poised to do better in this metagame. UW aggro is a real deck, and if it ever adopts a more midrange/control strategy, you can believe that Venser will see play.

I like Druidic Man-Purse out of M12, but you are right here too. The artifacts mostly suck in M12