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Welcome to another edition of Yawgmoth's Soap Opera (YSO) the Classic Related Podcast bought to you the community. You can find us each week on with updates on Thursday. In addition to the podcast we produce brief show notes to accompany the cast (see below) and welcome listener feedback and views via the comments, email, twitter or in-client PM's.

The Regular Co-Hosts are all members of Magic Online Clan "Magic Eternal"
George Efelis  (whiffy penguin) 
Andy Phillips - (Hammer_Eternal) or (Eternal_Hammer)
Zach Whitten - (The_Hoff) or (abstrakt66) 

October 29th Daily Event

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 November 4th Daily Event

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TIME STAMP by Clan Magic Eternal at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 04:59
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0:00 Introduction from Hammer - Welcome to guest Montolio.
1:20 29th October Daily Event:
-Break out discussion Batterskull in Classic (1:55)
Expidition Map (5:00)
14:24 4th November Classic Daily Event on a Thursday.
14:48 Cownose 4-0 Deck Update Canadian Thresh with Delver and SCM.
25:23 Serenity V's Workshop decks.
36:24 Cockroaches!!!
40:45 4 Library of Alexandria to 4-0 Challenge.
41:38 Montolio Perspecitve on Tanglewire.
-Break out discussion Foil Price Speculation for Masques.
59:30 Close Out.

DE Thursday night by enderfall at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:02
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Don't forget, there's a DE tonight at 10:30PM EDT. We fired the event last week, let's try again tonight!!

I like the idea of putting in by Cownose at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:26
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I like the idea of putting in Confidant into that thresh list, but losing green would mean that you lose your claims out of the board, which softens you even more to Oath. Tarm also provides a better clock, which a deck like this needs as it can only stall losing for so long before other classic decks' better cards crush you. Tarm is also a hate bear for fish decks (although you will likely win against them anyway). I would fear that without Tarms of my own and no white for StP/PtE getting rid of an opposing tarm might become problematic as bolt will fail to do it 90% of the time.

Although with picking up black I would probably add Duress/Thoughseize so it might work out in the end.

Also, that list is far from well vetted. If I had to do it again I think I would probably switch in Trygons for Cliques, as although the Cliques are nice I think Trygon would be stronger vs Oath and Shops. Ligntning Bolt was also much stronger than I expected it to be. From killing Bobs/Lodestones to going for the dome in conjunction with SCM it was very strong. There might be a place for 1 or 2 more burn spells in there (The legacy version runs Fire/Ice, but that seems weak in classic...will have to test). I might cut a stifle and try something like that out.

Between Brainstorm and just having a lot of instants Delver was flipping the next upkeep about 75% of the time. He is seriously powerful in any kind of aggro/control shell--hes basically Nimble Mongoose on crack. Had I realized how strong he was going to be I might have decided against needing Tarm in the list.

Energy Flux is better than by Cronin at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 14:25
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Energy Flux is better than Serenity because Blue>White. With Energy Flux it's easy to fit it into a shell with something like mana drain to help cast it.

Dude, he ran both. My by Clan Magic Eternal at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 14:47
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Dude, he ran both. My argument was Serenity is much more dangerous when facing a typical shop draw. Great, you can pitch flux to Fow or MANA DRAIN (really, you can cast mana drain against shop t2 with no issues?)a shop spell and follow up with Flux....

Honestly, getting a 2 mana spell that destroys all spheres and chalices AND IS CHEAPER seems like a win-win to me... The name of the game against shops is being able to play things....


From my perspective, Serenity by goat314 at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:27
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From my perspective, Serenity is harder on me than Energy Flux, because Metalworker can pay for Energy Flux (It also pays for Batterskull activations, Zach :-p). Likewise, Stony Silence is harder on me than Null Rod, since I can feasibly Weld away an opposing Null rod.

The problem with Serenity as I see it is that it has a limited play window. It's not great to play on turn 1 because it can be played around, but it may be too late to play it on turn 2 after spheres or Chalice.


I agree Zach serenity is good by Cronin at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:36
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I agree Zach serenity is good and I have run it before I just feel better getting down a flux since it stays there and I have almost never lost if i can get a flux down in a reasonable amount of time where as shop can come back after a serenity. I would run both if I could though but I don't add white very often. I think we are all going to have to start running 4x of both plus 4x nature's claim and ancient grudge when tangle wire comes out though.

Also metalworker paying for energy flux doesn't scare me much since they would need an equal number of artifacts in hand to what they have on board to pay for it and without card draw that would be a serious disadvantage for shop.

Another quality podcast guys. by enderfall at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 14:44
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Another quality podcast guys. One quibble, not sure if you noticed this after recording, but often throughout the podcast there was this sound as if someone was playing with poker chips and shuffling them around. Perhaps it was feedback from someone's mic, but it did distract from my listening.

Cornucopia of Deliciousness by Montolio at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 16:22
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Zach did you actually say that during the podcast or am I hearing things. lol.
I will try and be there for DE tonight!
p.s. Scott read the title of the podcast on (will clue you into that terrible sound you were hearing during podcast)

You must be hearing things my by country hillbilly at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:13
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You must be hearing things my friend :P

I am just expanding on my position regarding Serenity - and you saying "I just don't think it is that good of a card"

Montolio = chipmasta

Four Libraries in UR by GainsBanding at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:15
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Four Libraries in UR Landstill means you draw too much colorless mana. I've tried it in an attempt to win that challenge. Those Mana Drains want more Islands.

Whoever is fidgeting with coins or keys or whatever: I understand, I'm fidgety, too, but maybe fidget with something soft and quiet next time you are on mic.


!!!!GUERILLA TACTICS!!!! by country hillbilly at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:29
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I must say there has been by themagicman_22 at Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:05
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I must say there has been times that it was tough to get to 2 for serenity but when it hits its a game changer. Idk who it was but like they said i get a full untap with counters ready or even to drop an e flux or a standstill where gets rough from there for stax. When i was testin before season 3 i was considerin tryin to jam a 3rd serenity in there (lose the REB and go with one more serenity and a MM or fluster) but ended up with what ya c. and ill gladly take a 2 for 1 with serenity if thats what it comes 2 especially if one of em is a sphere or 2 to help me maintain control.