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News:

Unplanned outage on July 19th! Reimbursement should have been automatic.

August promos revealed!

V4 Sneak Peek ends on this Wednesday downtime. Don’t forget to send in your feedback.

Gatecrash announced

Spoilers and upcoming info from the Comic-Con panel

Prices:
A look at the Ravnica and classic dual land prices.

Underground Sea: 26.47
Hallowed Fountain 24.89
Savannah: 23.13
Tundra: 22.78
Tropical Island: 20.42
Steam Vents: 18.07
Volcanic Island: 17.79
Blood Crypt: 17.64
Bayou: 14.96
Badlands: 13:41
Scrubland: 12.95
Taiga: 12.95
Godless Shrine: 11.93
Breeding Pool: 11.41
Stomping Ground: 10.93
Plateau: 8.56
Watery Grave 7.33
Sacred Foundry 6.57
Overgrown Tomb: 5.59
Temple Garden 5.59

Question of the Week:

Will you try your hand at the M13 prerelease this week? What would make it worth your while?

Whatcha been playin:

AJ: Demons to a 2-1 in the weekend tribal.
Paul: DOTP 2013

17 Comments

not v4 by pumpkin_hd at Tue, 07/24/2012 - 09:27
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Why is everyone calling new client v4 ,when it'll actually be v3.5?

Not really by bubba0077 at Thu, 07/26/2012 - 03:21
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WotC is doing what they can to steer people away from calling the new client v4. But, version numbers not withstanding, the current client really is already 3.5. Go back and compare what we have now to what was first available when they pulled the plug on 2.5. That and the new client is a completely different platform and design, it's definitely a full version increment.

WEEKLY QUESTION by BOBBAKAKE at Tue, 07/24/2012 - 12:31
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I will not be in the pre release. It is not worth it at all. I did pre on the last 3 sets and regret them all. I can wait. I might if there was a sweet promo, but there isn't.

Well you can tell I was a by Paul Leicht at Tue, 07/24/2012 - 13:47
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Well you can tell I was a newb to this with all the "Ums and ahs", etc. But this was a lot of fun to do. Thanks for having me on AJ.

Thanks for entertaining me on by gamemaster32 at Tue, 07/24/2012 - 23:24
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Thanks for entertaining me on my flight home guys!

While I like the new price point, a core set full of reprints makes it not worth my while to prerelease.

Glad you liked it, Keya! We by Paul Leicht at Wed, 07/25/2012 - 00:49
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Glad you liked it, Keya! We missed your presence. What would make it worth your while?

I listened to my first by KaraZorEl at Tue, 07/24/2012 - 23:51
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I listened to my first podcast of this series today. I didn't like when you guys were saying that you should be polite and articulate when you encounter a problem that really puts you off. For me, I'm consuming their product and if they're not smart enough to create and/or maintain the client in such a way that lets me have if not an optimal experience at least a decent one, then I'm going to be angry. I'll leave magic (for a while anyway) if the frustration outweighs the enjoyment. I simply don't want to be an unpaid Wizards employee telling them everything they need to do when they can't figure it out for themselves. That is beyond annoying.

I feel your frustration and I by Paul Leicht at Wed, 07/25/2012 - 00:46
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I feel your frustration and I get what you mean about not wanting to be nice when you're mad but I am fairly results oriented about this kind of thing. If you are pissing people off (via rudeness, yelling, etc) they won't pay you any mind and then you aren't getting the results that you want.

I am optimistic that they ARE paying attention though (and I hope grokking) since a lot of erudite individuals have made their opinions known on the forums. Lets hope the v4 (or v3.5 according to some) client does get some positive changes made so that we haven't all wasted our time.

Anyway thanks for listening and commenting!

Well I guess I'm still by KaraZorEl at Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:56
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Well I guess I'm still frustrated. I tried logging on today but it said I'm running an old version of the client and I had to run "the kicker." I have no idea what is meant by that. Behavior like this from Wizards really makes me question whether they have the best interests of the players at heart. How am I supposed to know what to do if I can't even follow their instructions?

Kara, the beta sneak peek by Paul Leicht at Thu, 07/26/2012 - 03:35
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Kara, the beta sneak peek ended today. So if you were trying to get on, it was closed. I suspect you clicked on a MTGO_net.exe shortcut mistakenly instead of the beta client shortcut.

Also today MTGO III had an update requiring the usual kicker.exe update. (Find it in your Magic Online III folder)

Typically you only need to run the kicker once every few weeks since even though we have maintenance every week we don't always have an update.

Yes, I tried that, but it by KaraZorEl at Fri, 07/27/2012 - 17:30
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Yes, I tried that, but it gave me an error saying I didn't have permission to run the kicker. This was the first time I ran it. I don't know what's wrong, but I've decided to hang it up. I'm tired of the bugs and all the nonsense. Wizards needs to do a better job before I'll spend any amount of time using their product.

Permissions are strictly a by Paul Leicht at Fri, 07/27/2012 - 21:49
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Permissions are strictly a Windows thing. Try right clicking on kicker.exe and Running as Administrator.

I'm the only person on my by KaraZorEl at Sat, 07/28/2012 - 00:08
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I'm the only person on my computer and I've already set myself as an administrator. Usually, I get a box asking me if I want to let the program do its thing and I click on yes. Not so with the kicker- it wouldn't even let me get that far. Moreover, the text I saw was all jumbled: the result of bad programming.

Why do magic players put up with this? Why do they spend money on a faulty program to interact with other players who, let's face it, are really not that pleasant? Why do we sit through tournaments for three hours hoping to make a small gain when we could just easily take a job moonlighting somewhere and make a much larger profit? Why do magic players care more about the values of their cards than the experiences they give other players by using abusive, broken decks? Why does selfishness factor into everything around the game? Why do magic players always look at the next new thing, so excited about sets that haven't even come out yet when here there are plenty of cards yet to be tried? Are new cards more enjoyable than old cards simply because they're new? Why does Wizards design broken cards and then later say, "whoops, sorry?" Why is that even acceptable? Shouldn't we expect more when the card game has been around for as long as it has? If they people involved in the game haven't learned how to create healthy metagames by designing cards that everyone can play, when will they learn? When will Wizards finally make good on every single pre-release? When will Wizards learn how to communicate what's going on to as many people as possible, instead of putting an article on their site and automatically expecting everyone to find it? At long last, are we just going to admit that we are not valued customers, that we are only taken seriously when we complain and that the rest of the time, the only motivating factor for any action the company takes is to increase profits?

Not that there's anything wrong with profit, mind you. Just that in this case, it eclipses everything else.

You can be logged on to an by Paul Leicht at Sat, 07/28/2012 - 00:42
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You can be logged on to an admin level account and still not be running a program as an administrator.

Right clicking and selecting "Run as an Administrator" is how windows lets you override its permissions system.

Again as I said. This sounds like a windows problem. You are getting messages (FROM WINDOWS) about permissions that have garbled characters in them? That sounds like a virus or two. Or perhaps your .net files are corrupt/missing. In any case this is solvable if you look for help from the appropriate angle.

As for the cards you hate:

Well MTG is a game in progress. There is no end boss. It will never have one. This means it will always been an imperfect game for some of us. Which ones may vary at any given time. If your expectation is based on the game being polished and complete then you are going to be disappointed time and again.

In my opinion Wotc does fair job of weeding out the worst offenders but they are humans and stuff does get by (I personally thought the big 3 of ROE were not just mistakes but horrible for the casual fun only players out there.) That makes the game outrageous at times for some players but it also makes it interesting for others.

As for the rest, well your rant seems a little myopic. (Not to mention lacking in paragraphs but that just made it harder to read.)

Not to say all of your complaints are invalid either (communication definitely is something they need to work on) but lumping them all together and virtually waving your hands in the air because of all that seems like you are missing the big picture.

Particularly when you blame wizards for the david v Goliath syndrome that happens with ANY strategy based game. There will always be people who will beat you down and disregard your pleasure/pain in the process. Or maybe even seek to provoke the negative response so they can feed THEIR fragile egos. This has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with humanity. Learn to avoid the people who do this or develop elephant skin.

I KNOW you enjoy the game. You've spent the time and energy to write articles about it. Heck you spent time and energy to write these impassioned if not precisely rational sounding posts. But it sounds like you have become so frustrated by your woes that you have lost track of what matters. Finding a way to have fun with the game.

Being unable to log in maybe causing this but that isn't imho the fault of wizards. Though I expect if you called them they would do their best to give you technical support. (One thing few have complained about is their customer support.)

Did you give any feedback to WOTC on the forums or by email or even to an ORC or anyone else aside from here?

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Also how on earth could you have been playing this as long as you have and not even know about the kicker much less not have run it? I am really disturbed by that. Was someone else taking care of it for you?

Not sure if you understand my by KaraZorEl at Sat, 07/28/2012 - 16:41
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Not sure if you understand my point. There is no virus. When I ran the kicker, it didn't work. Simple as that. I suppose I could try to call support to rectify it, but would there be any point in doing so? When I'm called irrational and myopic simply for stating my opinions? Why should I show up just to be insulted whenever I have a thought that runs contrary to what anybody else thinks. The fault isn't mine- and this feels like blaming the victim when you say that I need to find a way to have fun with it. Why tell me to develop elephant skin? Wouldn't it be better if everyone else learned to treat other people with respect? At the very least, people could leave their competitive decks out of the casual room. It's not my fault for getting frustrated over that- it's their fault for being bullies when other people just want to sit back and enjoy a match with random cards they threw together. While it's not Wizards fault that such behavior arises, I do wish they would do more- perhaps a database of netdecks that tells you if you have a tier 1, 2 or 3 deck when you put it together. Then if you try to make or join a match in the casual room with a tier 1 deck, it won't let you. This is the sort of thing they could do to ensure parity in the various rooms.

I didn't say you were myopic by Paul Leicht at Sat, 07/28/2012 - 17:00
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I didn't say you were myopic I said you seemed myopic. And this isn't an insult but an observation. Because you seem to me to be missing stuff that should be right in front of your nose. Such as the fact that error message YOU described isn't one that gets generated by the client.

It is in fact a Microsoft windows error that indicates there is something wrong with your framework files, your permissions or your windows installation. None of those are the fault of wizards.

Also Blaming them for that is like blaming random strangers for the bad breakfast you had.

And yes there is a point in you calling WOTC cs to get help with the problem. You love the game despite your frustrations and why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

I agree things would be better if everyone was respectful and kind but then again people differ in their ideas of respect and even what is kind.

And again expecting the world of strangers at large to be fair and kind and respectful seems myopic. Because you've been around the block enough to know the world at large isn't like that. And also this is again not the fault of Wizards or even their responsibility.

They can't possibly monitor every single deck list (there are millions of permutations) and determine which ones are off limits and if they could, that would be a huge drain on their resources. If you want people to do stuff for you, you have to at least make reasonable demands.

Peace Out.

I only read your first by KaraZorEl at Mon, 07/30/2012 - 07:29
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I only read your first sentence and then I got angry. There's no functional difference between the two. We can't have a conversation if you're willing to insult me and then act like you didn't mean it that way. No one ever takes the exact meaning of your words as you meant them. They'll take them as they find them. If someone finds your word choice inappropriate, that's on you, not the person reading.

How's this for a reasonable demand? I want everyone to treat each other with respect. As long as that doesn't happen, I can't/won't play magic. Wizards doesn't respect me as a customer enough to make a client that doesn't break down every five minutes. Other players don't respect me to understand that this is a game, not a drug addiction where the only point is to get your high by beating someone with the strongest deck you have. There are far too many reasons for me to stay away and not enough for me to stay in.