I have no doubt in my mind that Legacy paper players will come to online play despite the costs.
Has anyone happend to see a thread on mtgthesource titled Beating Your Head Against A Wall On MWS?
It's a great thread on the stupidity of mws players and their lack of comprehension on the rules, not that mtgo will curb the disconnections/aholes those players face, but at least the rules can not be argued over and the chance to win packs piloting your fav Legacy deck 24/7.
Great article DL,this confirms what i was dreading: every new Eternal player will be playing Ichorid because of your breakdown of prices.
'Rather than clutter the article with 16 + 1 decklists and the individual breakdown....'
While the decklists are available elsewhere, it would be very nice to see the $$ breakdowns on each of those cards. Another article plz thx?
FoW is still the only barrier to me. I realize that there are many competitive decks, I like the ability to test all of them. The dazes will come; but Worth's repeated statements that MED1 (namely FoW) will NOT be rereleased have kept the prices high. I have met a number of people with 'extra' FoWs who would only sell at above bot prices because they feel safe that their hoarding won't be undercut. Merely the announcement of a possible rerelease of select MED1 cards and the price would drop significantly as those individuals would sell the extras.
But, I blame WoTC. FoW in paper was uncommon. In limited online its rarity would not have made a difference. If it were uncommon online in would be priced similiarly to Wasteland.
I also wanted to say that I enjoyed reading this one as much as I enjoyed your previous articles. Reading about fun is always fun, especially when it's well written. Oh and that cascade Birds deck really looks very brutal (brutal = nice in my vocabulary).
I have a bit of experience with Parlor tricks, but not much. I have faced it enough. I will be using pdcmagic.com to help generate a deck list for the next article. It is probably two weeks away though, because it is going to be a bear to research and turn into what I envision.
It should be a fun exercise though.
Right now I am leaning towards Parlor Tricks, Elves, Goblin Storm, and my own creation that mixes Cloak and Untargetable creatures.
I don't have much time to get on MTGO, so I keep a excel spreadsheet including all cards available in MTGO. The spreadsheet has a database tabs and one tab for each deck I am developing, so the graphics come from charts I have done in excel.
Since thje graphics help me see inconsistencies between my mana base and my casting costs as well as the converted mana cost curve, I included them in the article with the hope that it helps others.
I won't respond to your whole post, but you seem to be missing information on how rereleasing cards works. Tantamount to any conversation is understanding what the reserve list (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpo...) is in paper, and how it affect the rerelease of any new versions of those cards.
Given what you know fo WOTC is that really a question? Of course they are insane. They will totally launch Legacy tournaments the moment that format comes online.
Also, in an earlier response, you mentioned WOTC could help control prices by issuing rereleases. Given that WOTC won't even sell older packs, something that will cost them zero dollars to do and only has the opportunity to increase profit for them, on what evidense are you basing the idea that they would even concider a rerelease? When MED3 came out I was expecting them to reissue MED1 and MED2 so they could all be drafted together. They didn't. I was unemployed during MED1 so I don't own any of those cards and I was on vacation during the, like three days, they sold Exodus packs. I really do want to play Legacy, but the prices, on a minimum wage income, basically say "not in this lifetime."
Also, paper magic is a good example of WOTC reluctance to do reissues. Sure they have core sets, but how many times have the original duels been put in core set? I looked at M10, they weren't in there. They also were not in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. Even people like Mark Rosewater have stated that they have no opinion or concern about the secondary market on singles, which is what we're talking about here. And why should they? They don't sell singles, they sell packs. That's where they make their money. Why should they care what the price of FoW is?
Prices are a big issue here, and I am glad you didn't take the line I hear from so many other writers. That line being, "Well if you can't pay the price, then I guess you can't play," and then blame lack of participation in classic events on the players and not on the insane prices and scarcity of cards.
As a personal example, I have a friend that wanted to get into MTGO so he could play some classic games and extended. When I told him that the MTGO store only sells Standard packs, he was upset, and when he looked at the price of duel lands and FoW's, he decided to stick to paper magic. I think this proves your point about legacy players not making the trip over to MTGO, which is sad because our community could use the people.
That being said, as long as WOTC refuses to sell old packs and tournaments continue to pay out in useless prizes, I can't really see any reason for people to start playing Legacy on MTGO.
I am sorry I forgot to comment on this before. Great article. I like how you lay out the differences in strategies in how you made your various decks. Also great formatting. I've been meaning to ask: What do you use for the statistics at the bottom of the deck lists?
Not sure if this is true across the board but I find MTGOtraders prices to be slightly lower than the market at any given time. At least on cards I am interested.
heya Whiffy again long time no see :) Yeah I would love the me duals...but those are never going to be much lower than they are now. I expect rav duals will decline rapidly once the spikes who are using them now sell them off. What I mean by that is that I want as many color fixers as I can get for my buck. Getting duals will only be possible a few times for me.
very true for some reason i was thinking the bazaars ran more along the lines of $20.00 a piece which may have been the case when me3 was first released but at only 8 a piece its much more affordable.
I'll have to try out the werebears. I like the idea of another 2cc creature, and the slight ramp wouldn't hurt either. My main concern with that card is I don't really attain threshold at a quick pace. I only start dredging once I have TE on the board and a handful of lands in play. In fact, I probably attain threshold a little slower than most decks because of the scrabblers. The raiders is also a discard outlet and can become a 5/5. Through testing however I found they remain 3/3's for longer than I'd like, so I wouldn't mind replacing them.
Rancor is another card I don't mind replacing, but I do enjoy it. It's quite significant in any matchup where I need to race and the opponent doesn't employ heavy removal. I also really like trample. Slapping it on a hound means you can pump him up to his maximum potential without any problems about being chumped.
I used to have a solitary raven's crime MD that I cut because it never felt significant. I also didn't like throwing away extra lands -- more lands meant more ridiculous plays if TE hit the table.
Mulch is something I love running in my control TE decks. Does it have a place in aggro though? Is it even a card you want to play when you haven't seen a TE yet? It will need some testing. Clearly there's slots still available, might as well swap and see.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll be trying out the bears and mulch and get back to you.
"also online legacy ptq season would almost undoubtly push things into the stratosphere. 100 dollar fow again?? 50 dollar duals??"
WoTC would either be completely insane or absolute geniuses to even attempt such a thing - especially early in the lifespan of Legacy online. Which one, I don't know - sounds like an article in itself, best written when Legacy actually gets here. I nominate you to write it, Whiffy!
I was merely trying to preempt any argument that the article was biased one way or another by the prices of the sites I used for comparison. If anything I expected more people to tell me that the SCG prices were not representative of the paper market, rather than your prices not being representative of the online market - which I obviously think they are or I wouldn't have used your prices :)
I'd say it is too dependent on too many variables to tell.
For example, There is Legacy Pager, Legacy online and LEGACY. If Legacy becomes more popular online, will that raise online prices a lot? Sure. Will it come at the cost of the popularity of Legacy in paper? I'd guess no - in fact all it might do is *raise* the popularity in paper, in which case the cardboard prices will raise as well - and we're right back where we started, except LEGACY as a whole is a lot more popular.
Keep in mind I'm talking about perspective here too - in terms of pure numbers, the paper community dwarfs the online community on an astronomical scale. 100s of thousands of Force of Will exist in paper and maybe somewhere in the realm of a couple of thousand maybe online - and yet online is worth twice as much - just to give an idea of the scale we are talking about here. Where I think everyone's fear is centered in on a massive swing in the terms of the scale. If the online community who want Force of Will for competitive play make up, say 1% of the paper community who want Force of Will for paper, and there is a swing of 1% of the paper community to online (either by addition or switching), Force of Will doubles in demand, which theoretically doubles it's price. The only part of the article I think made any kind of prediction in this case is the swing will not be even that big to begin. Long term though, that kind of swing to online is very easily possible for Legacy - maybe more.
Also, and I'm not he best person to explain how this works, but a very convoluted set of strategies and market forces for something like an eternal format will tell you that *some* high priced cards are actually good for the format. There is more to it than simply this, but the main point is that having some high priced cards means that there is a attachment (beyond pure enjoyment) to the format that keeps the player base stable. That's much more important to a format that doesn't rotate to one that does. If you want a dissertation on the subject, you'd have to first let me interview the grandmaster of market forces - a Mr. Worth Wollpert. Their is a threshold point where cards start to crossover into the "ridiculous" area - which exists at a different point for all people, but definitely has a point where the community is unhealthy as a result. Vintage, of course, suffers so badly from this that they just pretend to have real cards, but the Legacy cards that I think are ridiculously priced (like Tabernacle and Imperial Recruiter) thankfully aren't staples of the format and fit in only few decks. I don't thikn any of the cards online are currently at a ridiculous level, but more importantly , I don't think WoTC thinks any of the cards are currently at a ridiculous level. Thankfully, if they should get there, there isn't a reserve list hampering WOTC from a) returning health to the meta game and b) making more money.
I will most likely never change my opinion on WOTC charging full MSRP for OOP boosters unless the prizes for OOP formats somehow make it worth the investment. Also I read the top secret "do not read Heath" because i'm curious like a cat. Although I partially agree with you that some of our classic cards can be a bit pricey I think the main reason for that is we do now allow huge price swings on them since the pool is so small so we gradually bring cards down when they drop etc.
Overall good article and I'm still crossing my fingers for power 9 on mtgo one day.
my opinion to imping,
i would think that cards will have to rise online to at least semi mirror papaer cards.It happens in std, block, and extended. the only reason it hassent happened in classic is there is no paper equivalebnt to compare prices with. Once online legacy is a popular format, and by popular i mean at least a few times the player base of classic. ( I think we will need close to a thousand people playing olegacy competitly) the prices of cards should start to synch up. Now this dosent mean that daze and fow will suddenly drop, as there are supply issuses, just like why tabernacle wont skyrocket. But things like standstill, aethervial, and almost all uncomons in general from the older modo sets (including new old releases like mvw, tse, uuu) should start to see an euqilibrium with paper sets, and if we have that many people playing legacy theres a fair shot we will have an addition hundred or so players that play classic/vintage. When there are that many people clamoring for duals to win events with, will we start to see a rise of underground sea? its like 70 bucks in paper and i think undervalued at 30 online.
also i have no time frame in mind here, cant predict how popular legacy will be. this is just how i feel things will work if/when we reach that player base.
also online legacy ptq season would almost undoubtly push things into the stratosphere. 100 dollar fow again?? 50 dollar duals??
Gee thanks Danger.......Thanks alot, as if we didn't have enough dredge decks floating around, now at that price every Tom, Dick and Harry will shuffle up and deal lol.
Seriously.......great article, I am pleasantly surprised to say the least, I thought prices would be much closer.
Either way, prices are still to high. The availability of playing a game online anytime you wish makes it much more appealing to the older crowd such as you, myself and most of the rest of the classic community.
Do you think due to this fact that legacy online will eventually supercede paper?
This question is probably difficult to answer, but do you think maybe the prices of the current online legacy decks are just currently cheaper due to lack of overwelming interest in the format. I am assuming there are more paper legacy players atm than classic players online. If this is true and if legacy does take off online these prices will increase overtime. I know you stated in your article that you can't compare future prices, but personally I think that still needs addressed.
From your article one could draw the conclusion that since prices online are so much cheaper than paper I should then shut my mouth and stop complaining about the cost of digital cards. I guess the real question then becomes do we think in the future the prices will remain reasonable or will they increase by that 85% margin?
Regardless of where one stands I think we can all agree holding a physical card carries more emotional weight to a person than a digital one, so shouldn't paper cards be more expensive than digital ones?
Just playing the devil's advocate here, personally I will never play paper, sold my collection right after the set formally known at "The Fallen Empires" came out, currently it is known as "The crap in a box" imo. Either way I still think prices are to high, impact the player base to a negative degree and would love to see those exodus cards and other take a slight dive.
i like your articles there paul, well written and thought out but i have to wonder about one thing.
"I dunno if you noticed lately but rav duals have overshadowed even ME1 duals in price. When extended season ends I may go collect some more."
This is a classic format, play the real duals. I understand a budget constraint is a real thing for people who dont have the cards but, if your thinking of buying rav duals i have to ask, why not just get med duals? You said it yourself there cheaper then rav. With extended ending soon you will be able to grab the rav at a nice rate but the med duals will certainly not go down and should go up when legacy is in its swing. I just wonder if you thought about this. seems like a much better buy on every level (cost included) if yer actually gonna spend cash or tix.
Wood Elves is ok. The big problem with that is I have just one dual land that triggers with that. Temple Garden. I dunno if you noticed lately but rav duals have overshadowed even ME1 duals in price. When extended season ends I may go collect some more. The reason I chose Civic Wayfinder/Borderland Ranger is they are not as limiting and they give a bigger body, which means a potential trade instead of chump.
Thanks for the thought though...I may yet redesign that deck again and try wood elves once I get some more duals.
that is linked in the article. Look near the pic of submerge
I have no doubt in my mind that Legacy paper players will come to online play despite the costs.
Has anyone happend to see a thread on mtgthesource titled Beating Your Head Against A Wall On MWS?
It's a great thread on the stupidity of mws players and their lack of comprehension on the rules, not that mtgo will curb the disconnections/aholes those players face, but at least the rules can not be argued over and the chance to win packs piloting your fav Legacy deck 24/7.
Great article DL,this confirms what i was dreading: every new Eternal player will be playing Ichorid because of your breakdown of prices.
err I meant Rebel deck must have been distracted.
'Rather than clutter the article with 16 + 1 decklists and the individual breakdown....'
While the decklists are available elsewhere, it would be very nice to see the $$ breakdowns on each of those cards. Another article plz thx?
FoW is still the only barrier to me. I realize that there are many competitive decks, I like the ability to test all of them. The dazes will come; but Worth's repeated statements that MED1 (namely FoW) will NOT be rereleased have kept the prices high. I have met a number of people with 'extra' FoWs who would only sell at above bot prices because they feel safe that their hoarding won't be undercut. Merely the announcement of a possible rerelease of select MED1 cards and the price would drop significantly as those individuals would sell the extras.
But, I blame WoTC. FoW in paper was uncommon. In limited online its rarity would not have made a difference. If it were uncommon online in would be priced similiarly to Wasteland.
Great article. Cascade in tribal is unexpected and seems very good the one time I faced it.
My Merfolk deck is just counter fish - I do not yet own Vials. The full deck list is in my Deck Divination #5 article this week.
I also wanted to say that I enjoyed reading this one as much as I enjoyed your previous articles. Reading about fun is always fun, especially when it's well written. Oh and that cascade Birds deck really looks very brutal (brutal = nice in my vocabulary).
Good job as always.
LE
I have a bit of experience with Parlor tricks, but not much. I have faced it enough. I will be using pdcmagic.com to help generate a deck list for the next article. It is probably two weeks away though, because it is going to be a bear to research and turn into what I envision.
It should be a fun exercise though.
Right now I am leaning towards Parlor Tricks, Elves, Goblin Storm, and my own creation that mixes Cloak and Untargetable creatures.
I don't have much time to get on MTGO, so I keep a excel spreadsheet including all cards available in MTGO. The spreadsheet has a database tabs and one tab for each deck I am developing, so the graphics come from charts I have done in excel.
Since thje graphics help me see inconsistencies between my mana base and my casting costs as well as the converted mana cost curve, I included them in the article with the hope that it helps others.
I won't respond to your whole post, but you seem to be missing information on how rereleasing cards works. Tantamount to any conversation is understanding what the reserve list (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpo...) is in paper, and how it affect the rerelease of any new versions of those cards.
Given what you know fo WOTC is that really a question? Of course they are insane. They will totally launch Legacy tournaments the moment that format comes online.
Also, in an earlier response, you mentioned WOTC could help control prices by issuing rereleases. Given that WOTC won't even sell older packs, something that will cost them zero dollars to do and only has the opportunity to increase profit for them, on what evidense are you basing the idea that they would even concider a rerelease? When MED3 came out I was expecting them to reissue MED1 and MED2 so they could all be drafted together. They didn't. I was unemployed during MED1 so I don't own any of those cards and I was on vacation during the, like three days, they sold Exodus packs. I really do want to play Legacy, but the prices, on a minimum wage income, basically say "not in this lifetime."
Also, paper magic is a good example of WOTC reluctance to do reissues. Sure they have core sets, but how many times have the original duels been put in core set? I looked at M10, they weren't in there. They also were not in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. Even people like Mark Rosewater have stated that they have no opinion or concern about the secondary market on singles, which is what we're talking about here. And why should they? They don't sell singles, they sell packs. That's where they make their money. Why should they care what the price of FoW is?
Prices are a big issue here, and I am glad you didn't take the line I hear from so many other writers. That line being, "Well if you can't pay the price, then I guess you can't play," and then blame lack of participation in classic events on the players and not on the insane prices and scarcity of cards.
As a personal example, I have a friend that wanted to get into MTGO so he could play some classic games and extended. When I told him that the MTGO store only sells Standard packs, he was upset, and when he looked at the price of duel lands and FoW's, he decided to stick to paper magic. I think this proves your point about legacy players not making the trip over to MTGO, which is sad because our community could use the people.
That being said, as long as WOTC refuses to sell old packs and tournaments continue to pay out in useless prizes, I can't really see any reason for people to start playing Legacy on MTGO.
I am sorry I forgot to comment on this before. Great article. I like how you lay out the differences in strategies in how you made your various decks. Also great formatting. I've been meaning to ask: What do you use for the statistics at the bottom of the deck lists?
Not sure if this is true across the board but I find MTGOtraders prices to be slightly lower than the market at any given time. At least on cards I am interested.
heya Whiffy again long time no see :) Yeah I would love the me duals...but those are never going to be much lower than they are now. I expect rav duals will decline rapidly once the spikes who are using them now sell them off. What I mean by that is that I want as many color fixers as I can get for my buck. Getting duals will only be possible a few times for me.
very true for some reason i was thinking the bazaars ran more along the lines of $20.00 a piece which may have been the case when me3 was first released but at only 8 a piece its much more affordable.
I'll have to try out the werebears. I like the idea of another 2cc creature, and the slight ramp wouldn't hurt either. My main concern with that card is I don't really attain threshold at a quick pace. I only start dredging once I have TE on the board and a handful of lands in play. In fact, I probably attain threshold a little slower than most decks because of the scrabblers. The raiders is also a discard outlet and can become a 5/5. Through testing however I found they remain 3/3's for longer than I'd like, so I wouldn't mind replacing them.
Rancor is another card I don't mind replacing, but I do enjoy it. It's quite significant in any matchup where I need to race and the opponent doesn't employ heavy removal. I also really like trample. Slapping it on a hound means you can pump him up to his maximum potential without any problems about being chumped.
I used to have a solitary raven's crime MD that I cut because it never felt significant. I also didn't like throwing away extra lands -- more lands meant more ridiculous plays if TE hit the table.
Mulch is something I love running in my control TE decks. Does it have a place in aggro though? Is it even a card you want to play when you haven't seen a TE yet? It will need some testing. Clearly there's slots still available, might as well swap and see.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll be trying out the bears and mulch and get back to you.
"also online legacy ptq season would almost undoubtly push things into the stratosphere. 100 dollar fow again?? 50 dollar duals??"
WoTC would either be completely insane or absolute geniuses to even attempt such a thing - especially early in the lifespan of Legacy online. Which one, I don't know - sounds like an article in itself, best written when Legacy actually gets here. I nominate you to write it, Whiffy!
I was merely trying to preempt any argument that the article was biased one way or another by the prices of the sites I used for comparison. If anything I expected more people to tell me that the SCG prices were not representative of the paper market, rather than your prices not being representative of the online market - which I obviously think they are or I wouldn't have used your prices :)
I'd say it is too dependent on too many variables to tell.
For example, There is Legacy Pager, Legacy online and LEGACY. If Legacy becomes more popular online, will that raise online prices a lot? Sure. Will it come at the cost of the popularity of Legacy in paper? I'd guess no - in fact all it might do is *raise* the popularity in paper, in which case the cardboard prices will raise as well - and we're right back where we started, except LEGACY as a whole is a lot more popular.
Keep in mind I'm talking about perspective here too - in terms of pure numbers, the paper community dwarfs the online community on an astronomical scale. 100s of thousands of Force of Will exist in paper and maybe somewhere in the realm of a couple of thousand maybe online - and yet online is worth twice as much - just to give an idea of the scale we are talking about here. Where I think everyone's fear is centered in on a massive swing in the terms of the scale. If the online community who want Force of Will for competitive play make up, say 1% of the paper community who want Force of Will for paper, and there is a swing of 1% of the paper community to online (either by addition or switching), Force of Will doubles in demand, which theoretically doubles it's price. The only part of the article I think made any kind of prediction in this case is the swing will not be even that big to begin. Long term though, that kind of swing to online is very easily possible for Legacy - maybe more.
Also, and I'm not he best person to explain how this works, but a very convoluted set of strategies and market forces for something like an eternal format will tell you that *some* high priced cards are actually good for the format. There is more to it than simply this, but the main point is that having some high priced cards means that there is a attachment (beyond pure enjoyment) to the format that keeps the player base stable. That's much more important to a format that doesn't rotate to one that does. If you want a dissertation on the subject, you'd have to first let me interview the grandmaster of market forces - a Mr. Worth Wollpert. Their is a threshold point where cards start to crossover into the "ridiculous" area - which exists at a different point for all people, but definitely has a point where the community is unhealthy as a result. Vintage, of course, suffers so badly from this that they just pretend to have real cards, but the Legacy cards that I think are ridiculously priced (like Tabernacle and Imperial Recruiter) thankfully aren't staples of the format and fit in only few decks. I don't thikn any of the cards online are currently at a ridiculous level, but more importantly , I don't think WoTC thinks any of the cards are currently at a ridiculous level. Thankfully, if they should get there, there isn't a reserve list hampering WOTC from a) returning health to the meta game and b) making more money.
Parlor tricks hands mostly look like they need to be tossed if you are not experienced with the deck
bring on the dredge!!
my opinion to imping,
i would think that cards will have to rise online to at least semi mirror papaer cards.It happens in std, block, and extended. the only reason it hassent happened in classic is there is no paper equivalebnt to compare prices with. Once online legacy is a popular format, and by popular i mean at least a few times the player base of classic. ( I think we will need close to a thousand people playing olegacy competitly) the prices of cards should start to synch up. Now this dosent mean that daze and fow will suddenly drop, as there are supply issuses, just like why tabernacle wont skyrocket. But things like standstill, aethervial, and almost all uncomons in general from the older modo sets (including new old releases like mvw, tse, uuu) should start to see an euqilibrium with paper sets, and if we have that many people playing legacy theres a fair shot we will have an addition hundred or so players that play classic/vintage. When there are that many people clamoring for duals to win events with, will we start to see a rise of underground sea? its like 70 bucks in paper and i think undervalued at 30 online.
also i have no time frame in mind here, cant predict how popular legacy will be. this is just how i feel things will work if/when we reach that player base.
also online legacy ptq season would almost undoubtly push things into the stratosphere. 100 dollar fow again?? 50 dollar duals??
just my 2 cents.
Gee thanks Danger.......Thanks alot, as if we didn't have enough dredge decks floating around, now at that price every Tom, Dick and Harry will shuffle up and deal lol.
Seriously.......great article, I am pleasantly surprised to say the least, I thought prices would be much closer.
Either way, prices are still to high. The availability of playing a game online anytime you wish makes it much more appealing to the older crowd such as you, myself and most of the rest of the classic community.
Do you think due to this fact that legacy online will eventually supercede paper?
This question is probably difficult to answer, but do you think maybe the prices of the current online legacy decks are just currently cheaper due to lack of overwelming interest in the format. I am assuming there are more paper legacy players atm than classic players online. If this is true and if legacy does take off online these prices will increase overtime. I know you stated in your article that you can't compare future prices, but personally I think that still needs addressed.
From your article one could draw the conclusion that since prices online are so much cheaper than paper I should then shut my mouth and stop complaining about the cost of digital cards. I guess the real question then becomes do we think in the future the prices will remain reasonable or will they increase by that 85% margin?
Regardless of where one stands I think we can all agree holding a physical card carries more emotional weight to a person than a digital one, so shouldn't paper cards be more expensive than digital ones?
Just playing the devil's advocate here, personally I will never play paper, sold my collection right after the set formally known at "The Fallen Empires" came out, currently it is known as "The crap in a box" imo. Either way I still think prices are to high, impact the player base to a negative degree and would love to see those exodus cards and other take a slight dive.
i like your articles there paul, well written and thought out but i have to wonder about one thing.
"I dunno if you noticed lately but rav duals have overshadowed even ME1 duals in price. When extended season ends I may go collect some more."
This is a classic format, play the real duals. I understand a budget constraint is a real thing for people who dont have the cards but, if your thinking of buying rav duals i have to ask, why not just get med duals? You said it yourself there cheaper then rav. With extended ending soon you will be able to grab the rav at a nice rate but the med duals will certainly not go down and should go up when legacy is in its swing. I just wonder if you thought about this. seems like a much better buy on every level (cost included) if yer actually gonna spend cash or tix.
Glad you enjoyed it. Hallowed Burial is an interesting call. I don't own any so that makes a difference in what I build.
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Wood Elves is ok. The big problem with that is I have just one dual land that triggers with that. Temple Garden. I dunno if you noticed lately but rav duals have overshadowed even ME1 duals in price. When extended season ends I may go collect some more. The reason I chose Civic Wayfinder/Borderland Ranger is they are not as limiting and they give a bigger body, which means a potential trade instead of chump.
Thanks for the thought though...I may yet redesign that deck again and try wood elves once I get some more duals.