Right up my alley, man. These are the Johnny-rific decks I just can't help but love. Sure, you can run ptqtier1.dec and own everyone in the casual room, but it just feels so much better when you do it with a deck you made on your own.
I've gotta give this deck a run soon. It's right on my budget. :D
R1G2 is a mull hand by the looks of it. We have a double red critter and a firebreather in your opener, you would want more mountains in your hand. Since this is a two land hand, it might take a while to build up think mana base and I don't think were gonna want to be sacrificing board development to attack with the ravager. I'd rather play him later. Essentially the ravager is like an expensive kraken hatchling in the early game. I look at this hand and it's like I see a kraken hatchling Hero can't cast yet, horned turtle that can't attack, removal without the right mana for it, beef that likely won't be curved into, and only one aggressive drop Hero can play regardless of draws. I don't think this hand does what it needs to do, and I think the deck will grant more aggressive hands than this.
Subtracting the two plains in hand you have a greater than 50% chance of your next land being a plains, its feasable you can play a full game out with this hand and not see enough red mana until it's too late. The only creature in hand you can reasonably expect to be swinging in with soon is the Aeronaut. Looking at Villain's deck I think he wants the game to go long; Hero's deck is favored in a shorter game. I think Hero can put more pressure on Villain with a random 6.
We stand bloodied, but unbowed. The work we put into Std should pay off tomorrow, and then it's down to the luck of the draft. Representatives of the community, may you crack open dragons, fixing, removal and a sweet curve.
Again, I get this. Well congrats, if hat's the case. I've seen some brutal lists from the PEs, and, sure, with the extra limitations, it's an extra feat, but still...
well im sure people were consulted, and i watched the first round of 100cs today online, the community time i think won 6 out of the 8 matches if i remember correctly...seems we are doing fairly well. Its a whole different beast when there are only 10 duals to split between 8 decks and 10 shocklands between 8 decks. Yes in this sort of format it results in some subpar choices. You do have to remember its 8 100cs decks which means except for basic lands a card can only be used once in all 8 of those decks
I gotta agree. I have just commented in a diff thread on here and it seems to me like ppl aren't as on it as they could be with regard to this format. IS it really so casual? Bc the suggestions here would lead me to believe so...
oh and to comment one your article, i must be so much worse at this game then you are spg...
"The last thing I want to mention is that you shouldn't be afraid to add a couple of creatures with sky-high casting costs into this deck. In the test games above, I often found myself with eight or ten mana available."
yeah i struggle to get to 5 lands a lot of the time, either im bad at mulliganing properly(true) or the shuffler hates me(i also assume this to be true).
Anyways the deck is fun though i have yet to win a single game...I definitely need the shepherds as right now im running titanic ultimatum in there place just as a filler. The one game i cast it my opp. had fog :P
So the deck looks like a blast, now if only i can figure out how to play it.
dont feel bad i had an extended UB reanimator deck that got just as much as you do im assuming. Eventually i just switched it to my "friends" folder which is basically decks i know i can play against anyone on my buddy list since i know they wont whine or complain
dont listen to the haters...its not worth it i know far too many people that come here and actually take away information from this site to worry about people like punmpkin-punk...
I think LD can supplement a deck very nicely, and sometimes just manascrwe the opp into a win, so it is definitely a valid strategy.
If someone plays any mass ld spells (armageddon) vs me in the CASUAL room, I immediately block them, and I know alot of other people do the same.
I've been experimenting a little bit with the orb as a way to fight against all the landfall craziness. It shuts down fetches, the land gain from Path, Ranger of Eos, Harrow, etc, etc. I'd be interested to see your take on the card in a future article. I just wish it cost less so it could come down sooner.
Dudes, why is this guy pontificating on ANY format?
I have watched infi games of some of the weirdest/saddest/weirdest deck brews EVS that somehow emerged from this guyz weirdo mind!
We live in a world where ANYONE can type some rubbish about something they so obviously barely comprehend! Seriously! I just started playing Sing 100 competitively and can't find any content that isn't random and downright bad!
This article was beyond confusing!!! Why is there pics of Strip Mine when you can't play it? Why is there a pic of a Russian Folk Singer rocking out next to contributor's name?
How are you going to do well at CC when Aaron forsythe has crakced the format with his new deck?!
Here is my casual deck i've been having a blast with recently which has made many people block me from the casual room. I get a huge amount of whiners in the causal room, but like playing there due to the speed you can get into a game mainly. I do alot of playtesting for decks & alot of trading to be always building to keep things interesting.
I do not consider this even close to a 'tournament practice' deck, esp. due to all the graveyard hate which is required with Dredge running so rampant.
This deck is fun for casual mainly because it cheats fatass creatures into play that are really hard to deal with with a quickness.
The reason I'm posting this. Is because initially when I started this deck, it had a shell of
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
That's it. I wanted to abuse Bazaar for card advantage. It started out as a counter/burn suite with the aforementioned combo, and has now over time evolved into the following;
4 Underground Sea
4 Badlands
1 Swamp
8 assorted fetch lands for swamps
4 Dark Ritual
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
***22 mana sources/19 Land***
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
4 Animate Dead
2 Zombify
2 Dread Return
3 Reanimate
4 Buried Alive
2 Strategic Planning
4 Careful Study
***24 spells***
1 Iona, spirit of kickass
1 Anger
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Reya Dawnbringer
1 Mindless Mass
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Blazing Archon
1 Platinum Angel
4 Squee
***13 creatures***
Should I be lambasted for playing this in casual? I have spent a couple weeks on MTGO playtesting, doing tweaks and it has become what it is now. (which by the way is a blast)
I also have a mono-blue casual deck I play which packs 4 Force of Will, 4 Mana Drain, lots of bretheren counterspells but has plodding slow win conditions set to 4 Spire Golems. It is not a tournament deck, but if someone gets their !@$# Force of Willed you should see the responses.
Just curious to the responses, am I a bastard for playing these? Ultimately I don't care if you think I am, i'm going to keep having fun by coming up with an idea for a deck, then playtesting and tweaking it until I get bored with it.
" It seems totally fundamentally flawed to me that people would be scared or nervous to play cards from their collection just because they might not fit within their opponent's definition of casual."
I used to agree. Now I just conform. I held that attitude thinking I would just play what I like and if people blocked me and didn't join that was fine...I likely didn't want to play them anyway. After a few months of doing that I couldn't play the game. I had people (this is plural mind you) concede because I played something like Befoul targeting a creature citing, "I don't play against land destruction." "I'm targeting your creature." "But you'd play it on my land if you had to."
I thought those people would be the minority...they aren't. (I'll agree most aren't that extreme, but most people do have some limitation on what is casual to them that is generally far below what a tournament level deck is. I'm not suggesting tournament quality decks aren't casual, but I can at least begin to sympathize with people when they bring fun.dec and get smashed by tier1PTQ.dec.)
I've had considerably more fun by having slightly less fun than I would in an ideal world. By that I mean I don't play land destruction in casual anymore and people don't randomly quit. I get irked a little when I go up against someone playing Volrath's Stronghold to absolutely wreck me with Eternal Witness or Academy Ruins with something slightly less immediately game winning than Mind Slaver. I never say a negative word because it's my own fault for wanting to play games that don't end due to random concession. Afterall I'm not mad at them, I'm mad at the population that has changed the rules of the game for me.
If every player would take the time to appreciate what a resource truly is the casual scene would be awesome. There would still be those who wouldn't want to play against 'X' but there would be far less crying and much more diverse Magic being played on the whole (at least I think so).
I'm sorry, but that is just nonsense. Yes it is possible to create a bot that plays the game for you. No I don't think it is possible to write an AI (artificial intelligence) that makes the correct plays all the time or even nearly all the time. AI is very difficult to get heuristically accurate for a game like Magic where the possible moves can run into the thousands. That's a heck of a lot of branches. Yes some of that can be grouped into like-cases but I really dislike the notion that people would actually believe this possible. Like chess Magic also has look ahead as a skill factor.
The more you play in the moment (simplest AI decision making does this) the harder it is to set up the next draws (ie: playing for a top deck, etc) With chess programs this takes a fairly large amount of time (though with faster cores less than most good players take) to run through all the possible "good" moves in all possible variations and sub-variations. And that doesn't take into account the human factor which may evade a purely logical approach to the game. Magic is infinitely more complex though the decisions themselves may be just as minute.
But I challenge you to produce such a bot and show it off publicly. I am certain if you manage such a feat there will be job offers from all sorts of places.
Im talking about that bot being perfectly writing using the current client and its very probable todo all it takes is reading pixals its not diffrent then a chess game with a A.I and using numbers. But remember you dealing with people that create games that you play on your playstation Xbox etc that also play MTG and maybe MTGO and would be very easy to make a AI that can read the game state constantly by afew pixels on each card. And knows the correct play from what it has. So using the interface has nothing todo with it just like how current bots do now. It reads the pixels of stuff to know what to grab and only afew.
Right up my alley, man. These are the Johnny-rific decks I just can't help but love. Sure, you can run ptqtier1.dec and own everyone in the casual room, but it just feels so much better when you do it with a deck you made on your own.
I've gotta give this deck a run soon. It's right on my budget. :D
Thanks for the feedback man, glad you liked the deck.
R1G2 is a mull hand by the looks of it. We have a double red critter and a firebreather in your opener, you would want more mountains in your hand. Since this is a two land hand, it might take a while to build up think mana base and I don't think were gonna want to be sacrificing board development to attack with the ravager. I'd rather play him later. Essentially the ravager is like an expensive kraken hatchling in the early game. I look at this hand and it's like I see a kraken hatchling Hero can't cast yet, horned turtle that can't attack, removal without the right mana for it, beef that likely won't be curved into, and only one aggressive drop Hero can play regardless of draws. I don't think this hand does what it needs to do, and I think the deck will grant more aggressive hands than this.
Subtracting the two plains in hand you have a greater than 50% chance of your next land being a plains, its feasable you can play a full game out with this hand and not see enough red mana until it's too late. The only creature in hand you can reasonably expect to be swinging in with soon is the Aeronaut. Looking at Villain's deck I think he wants the game to go long; Hero's deck is favored in a shorter game. I think Hero can put more pressure on Villain with a random 6.
We stand bloodied, but unbowed. The work we put into Std should pay off tomorrow, and then it's down to the luck of the draft. Representatives of the community, may you crack open dragons, fixing, removal and a sweet curve.
the unearth/reanimator deck that dangerlinto is playing is great and tweakers r/g aggro is also amazing
Again, I get this. Well congrats, if hat's the case. I've seen some brutal lists from the PEs, and, sure, with the extra limitations, it's an extra feat, but still...
well im sure people were consulted, and i watched the first round of 100cs today online, the community time i think won 6 out of the 8 matches if i remember correctly...seems we are doing fairly well. Its a whole different beast when there are only 10 duals to split between 8 decks and 10 shocklands between 8 decks. Yes in this sort of format it results in some subpar choices. You do have to remember its 8 100cs decks which means except for basic lands a card can only be used once in all 8 of those decks
Dude, it's part of the game!
I gotta agree. I have just commented in a diff thread on here and it seems to me like ppl aren't as on it as they could be with regard to this format. IS it really so casual? Bc the suggestions here would lead me to believe so...
oh and to comment one your article, i must be so much worse at this game then you are spg...
"The last thing I want to mention is that you shouldn't be afraid to add a couple of creatures with sky-high casting costs into this deck. In the test games above, I often found myself with eight or ten mana available."
yeah i struggle to get to 5 lands a lot of the time, either im bad at mulliganing properly(true) or the shuffler hates me(i also assume this to be true).
Anyways the deck is fun though i have yet to win a single game...I definitely need the shepherds as right now im running titanic ultimatum in there place just as a filler. The one game i cast it my opp. had fog :P
So the deck looks like a blast, now if only i can figure out how to play it.
dont feel bad i had an extended UB reanimator deck that got just as much as you do im assuming. Eventually i just switched it to my "friends" folder which is basically decks i know i can play against anyone on my buddy list since i know they wont whine or complain
dont listen to the haters...its not worth it i know far too many people that come here and actually take away information from this site to worry about people like punmpkin-punk...
I think LD can supplement a deck very nicely, and sometimes just manascrwe the opp into a win, so it is definitely a valid strategy.
If someone plays any mass ld spells (armageddon) vs me in the CASUAL room, I immediately block them, and I know alot of other people do the same.
he's not on the CC team.
isamaru, hound of konda or savanah lions or elite vanguard
I've been experimenting a little bit with the orb as a way to fight against all the landfall craziness. It shuts down fetches, the land gain from Path, Ranger of Eos, Harrow, etc, etc. I'd be interested to see your take on the card in a future article. I just wish it cost less so it could come down sooner.
In RE: to Goblin Guide is best 1 drop...
Dudes, why is this guy pontificating on ANY format?
I have watched infi games of some of the weirdest/saddest/weirdest deck brews EVS that somehow emerged from this guyz weirdo mind!
We live in a world where ANYONE can type some rubbish about something they so obviously barely comprehend! Seriously! I just started playing Sing 100 competitively and can't find any content that isn't random and downright bad!
Help me! Someone!
This article was beyond confusing!!! Why is there pics of Strip Mine when you can't play it? Why is there a pic of a Russian Folk Singer rocking out next to contributor's name?
How are you going to do well at CC when Aaron forsythe has crakced the format with his new deck?!
Here is my casual deck i've been having a blast with recently which has made many people block me from the casual room. I get a huge amount of whiners in the causal room, but like playing there due to the speed you can get into a game mainly. I do alot of playtesting for decks & alot of trading to be always building to keep things interesting.
I do not consider this even close to a 'tournament practice' deck, esp. due to all the graveyard hate which is required with Dredge running so rampant.
This deck is fun for casual mainly because it cheats fatass creatures into play that are really hard to deal with with a quickness.
The reason I'm posting this. Is because initially when I started this deck, it had a shell of
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
That's it. I wanted to abuse Bazaar for card advantage. It started out as a counter/burn suite with the aforementioned combo, and has now over time evolved into the following;
4 Underground Sea
4 Badlands
1 Swamp
8 assorted fetch lands for swamps
4 Dark Ritual
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
***22 mana sources/19 Land***
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
4 Animate Dead
2 Zombify
2 Dread Return
3 Reanimate
4 Buried Alive
2 Strategic Planning
4 Careful Study
***24 spells***
1 Iona, spirit of kickass
1 Anger
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Reya Dawnbringer
1 Mindless Mass
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Blazing Archon
1 Platinum Angel
4 Squee
***13 creatures***
Should I be lambasted for playing this in casual? I have spent a couple weeks on MTGO playtesting, doing tweaks and it has become what it is now. (which by the way is a blast)
I also have a mono-blue casual deck I play which packs 4 Force of Will, 4 Mana Drain, lots of bretheren counterspells but has plodding slow win conditions set to 4 Spire Golems. It is not a tournament deck, but if someone gets their !@$# Force of Willed you should see the responses.
Just curious to the responses, am I a bastard for playing these? Ultimately I don't care if you think I am, i'm going to keep having fun by coming up with an idea for a deck, then playtesting and tweaking it until I get bored with it.
There's also a link from dailymtg.
" It seems totally fundamentally flawed to me that people would be scared or nervous to play cards from their collection just because they might not fit within their opponent's definition of casual."
I used to agree. Now I just conform. I held that attitude thinking I would just play what I like and if people blocked me and didn't join that was fine...I likely didn't want to play them anyway. After a few months of doing that I couldn't play the game. I had people (this is plural mind you) concede because I played something like Befoul targeting a creature citing, "I don't play against land destruction." "I'm targeting your creature." "But you'd play it on my land if you had to."
I thought those people would be the minority...they aren't. (I'll agree most aren't that extreme, but most people do have some limitation on what is casual to them that is generally far below what a tournament level deck is. I'm not suggesting tournament quality decks aren't casual, but I can at least begin to sympathize with people when they bring fun.dec and get smashed by tier1PTQ.dec.)
I've had considerably more fun by having slightly less fun than I would in an ideal world. By that I mean I don't play land destruction in casual anymore and people don't randomly quit. I get irked a little when I go up against someone playing Volrath's Stronghold to absolutely wreck me with Eternal Witness or Academy Ruins with something slightly less immediately game winning than Mind Slaver. I never say a negative word because it's my own fault for wanting to play games that don't end due to random concession. Afterall I'm not mad at them, I'm mad at the population that has changed the rules of the game for me.
If every player would take the time to appreciate what a resource truly is the casual scene would be awesome. There would still be those who wouldn't want to play against 'X' but there would be far less crying and much more diverse Magic being played on the whole (at least I think so).
:D Sounds like a blast and go Alex for bringing home the extra point :D
I'm sorry, but that is just nonsense. Yes it is possible to create a bot that plays the game for you. No I don't think it is possible to write an AI (artificial intelligence) that makes the correct plays all the time or even nearly all the time. AI is very difficult to get heuristically accurate for a game like Magic where the possible moves can run into the thousands. That's a heck of a lot of branches. Yes some of that can be grouped into like-cases but I really dislike the notion that people would actually believe this possible. Like chess Magic also has look ahead as a skill factor.
The more you play in the moment (simplest AI decision making does this) the harder it is to set up the next draws (ie: playing for a top deck, etc) With chess programs this takes a fairly large amount of time (though with faster cores less than most good players take) to run through all the possible "good" moves in all possible variations and sub-variations. And that doesn't take into account the human factor which may evade a purely logical approach to the game. Magic is infinitely more complex though the decisions themselves may be just as minute.
But I challenge you to produce such a bot and show it off publicly. I am certain if you manage such a feat there will be job offers from all sorts of places.
Im talking about that bot being perfectly writing using the current client and its very probable todo all it takes is reading pixals its not diffrent then a chess game with a A.I and using numbers. But remember you dealing with people that create games that you play on your playstation Xbox etc that also play MTG and maybe MTGO and would be very easy to make a AI that can read the game state constantly by afew pixels on each card. And knows the correct play from what it has. So using the interface has nothing todo with it just like how current bots do now. It reads the pixels of stuff to know what to grab and only afew.
Thanks! :)