The Editor at CQ certainly hopes so - or the set will probably be a huge bust.
Sinkhole and Maze of Ith aren't going to sell as set. And cards only legal in classic aren't going to do the trick either if there isn't any P9 - Legacy will cannibalize that segment without the draw of power.
The dudes at ClassicQuater seem to think so. The editor thinks P9 are certain for MED4. Like others have said, the set is going to be awful (and sell awful) if P9 isn't in there.
There are no non-interactive decks in Vintage. Those decks lose. If you don't interact with your opponent within the first turn or two then you lose, that's the way it goes. This is why pure beatdown decks like Zoo aren't playable. Kird Apes can't outrace Time Vault.
While I don't have the classic statistics in front of me, I do know that while doing my Legacy research, Force of Will was played in 24 of the 47 decklists I researched.
There are plenty of decklists not using the expensive counterspell. Like I said earlier, without them though, you can't play blue. Very few if any decks utilitizing blue don't use Force of Will.
So go buy a deck not using Force of Will.....win a bunch of tournaments and then turn those packs into tixs and buy force of wills. 80)~
I don't think there will be 3 more MED's. That would be suicide for the players. The discussion of P9 online has gone round and round and round. Personally, I just think they need to make them mythics so that they still have that aura of specialness. There will be power online. They have said that MTGO is their future. Bringing power online will entice excitement about Vintage which will drive sales thus making them more money. Last time I checked they are a business and business are designed to be profitable.
Respectfully, I think you got that wrong. If you keep writing you will grow. That's exactly what Alex does, analyse his weaknesses and attempt to become stronger, and encourage other people to do likewise.
JM
if power isnt in MED4 ill let eveyone here smack me twice!!
Seriously the set cant sell wont sell with unplayables....look what MED1 did. wotc stands to make more from good sets and power online is as good as a set gets
They want every card online and they want revenue
also vintage has been for too long the abandond step child which they need to get some hold of back and online is that step.
Each piece will go for 30 a pop i 2nd market more than enough to drive set sales
Yeah FoW is not a requirement for tourney level classic (or, I assume, Legacy). I've been doing it for 4 or 5 months now and still only have 2 FoW (ie, cannot make a deck that needs it). And there are some cheap(er) options... RDW, the Storm build that doesn't use Lion's Eye Diamond, Elves, Belcher (ok those last two aren't happening in Classic right now, but I think they are viable in Legacy). But it gets expensive, no doubt about it. Even if you don't play FoW, you run into Undergound Sea, Bayou, Tarmogoyf, Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, and then the cheaper cards like Dark Confidant and Thoughtseize you need four of, so that adds up. Not complaining because I've had a blast getting into the format recently. The nice thing is that once you make your initial investment, a lot of the cards go in different decks, so each new deck you build gets cheaper. And it's not like these cards are going to go down in value anytime soon.
Yeah, I know, that's a concern for me. I do want this series to wrap up sometime before Me4 gets here. I've already got chunks of 70+ at a time planned for later articles. I estimate somewhere around 20-25 total installments. So we should finish around September.
Maybe its the power of your writing, or the depth of the tradgedy, but this article had a massive impact on me. I even shared it with my wife and it made her think about what her 'version of magic' was, helping her with her own healing. I am deeply sorry about your loss but very grateful you have had the courage to share it with us.
yeah, I played MTG for the first time in around 5 years while up with a baby one night. It was "winter break" and I didn't have to work the next day and didn't feel like watching tv and there was the laptop. Now I find myself sneaking time there constantly - been doing better this week though.
Is that even if MTGO takes care of MTGO, that's only good for a couple of weeks. After that, the influx of cards dries up hard.
So let's see, small group of people buy into a short printed set and then see a large influx of demand later on? That's bad - really bad.
This is coming from a guy who has no intention of ever playing Legacy. There are very few cards I care to have 4x of from Saga. I'm trying to watch your back, Legacy folk. If Saga does poorly, I see online Legacy being *significantly* more expensive than classic - at least in Classic the big bad cards are only 1x.
I won't comment on P9 anymore. I've commented on it enough for 6 years. We'll just have to wait and see.
The Editor at CQ certainly hopes so - or the set will probably be a huge bust.
Sinkhole and Maze of Ith aren't going to sell as set. And cards only legal in classic aren't going to do the trick either if there isn't any P9 - Legacy will cannibalize that segment without the draw of power.
The dudes at ClassicQuater seem to think so. The editor thinks P9 are certain for MED4. Like others have said, the set is going to be awful (and sell awful) if P9 isn't in there.
There are no non-interactive decks in Vintage. Those decks lose. If you don't interact with your opponent within the first turn or two then you lose, that's the way it goes. This is why pure beatdown decks like Zoo aren't playable. Kird Apes can't outrace Time Vault.
Vintage is a crazy interactive format. People always badmouth what they don't understand.
I did get it wrong. That's why I've returned to the writing staff.
Would they put in mythic rare Power 9 in ME4?
While I don't have the classic statistics in front of me, I do know that while doing my Legacy research, Force of Will was played in 24 of the 47 decklists I researched.
There are plenty of decklists not using the expensive counterspell. Like I said earlier, without them though, you can't play blue. Very few if any decks utilitizing blue don't use Force of Will.
So go buy a deck not using Force of Will.....win a bunch of tournaments and then turn those packs into tixs and buy force of wills. 80)~
I don't think there will be 3 more MED's. That would be suicide for the players. The discussion of P9 online has gone round and round and round. Personally, I just think they need to make them mythics so that they still have that aura of specialness. There will be power online. They have said that MTGO is their future. Bringing power online will entice excitement about Vintage which will drive sales thus making them more money. Last time I checked they are a business and business are designed to be profitable.
Respectfully, I think you got that wrong. If you keep writing you will grow. That's exactly what Alex does, analyse his weaknesses and attempt to become stronger, and encourage other people to do likewise.
JM
30? try 50-60 each i see maybe 2-3 pieces in each new med set for the next three years, that should open up all sorts of streams for them
4 Nip Gwyllion
4 Nightsky Mimic
4 Child of Night
4 Mourning Thrull
2 Dauthi Slayer
4 Dark Ritual
4 Edge of the Divinity
4 Hymn to tourach
4 Tendril of Corruption
4 Sign in blood
if power isnt in MED4 ill let eveyone here smack me twice!!
Seriously the set cant sell wont sell with unplayables....look what MED1 did. wotc stands to make more from good sets and power online is as good as a set gets
They want every card online and they want revenue
also vintage has been for too long the abandond step child which they need to get some hold of back and online is that step.
Each piece will go for 30 a pop i 2nd market more than enough to drive set sales
My sympathies.
Thanks for your writing and camaraderie over the years - hope you get through this OK.
More likely that they will be online than not.
4x Cancel, my bad heh!
Hey nice deck sir :D
I have a similar deck IRL without the white tho.
Here's my decklist, hope it can give you some ideas :)
Creatures:
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2x Iona, Shield of Emeria
Planewalkers:
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4x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Spells:
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4x Explore
3x Bestial Menace
4x Spreading Seas
3x Negate
2x Cancel
2x Flashfreeze
2x Essence Scatter
3x Wind Zendikon
4x Everflowing Chalice
Mana:
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4x Halimar Depths
4x Khalni Garden
4x Misty Rainforest
3x Dread Statuary
8x Island
2x Forest
Sideboard:
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2x Flashfreeze
3x Into the Roil
3x Naturalize
3x Pithing Needle
2x Inkwell Leviathan
2x Progenitus
Wow that is a rough pic to post. Deperate need of a bar of soap and some scissors.
ok, the ones that are banned in Legacy will probably lose value when that comes online.
Yeah FoW is not a requirement for tourney level classic (or, I assume, Legacy). I've been doing it for 4 or 5 months now and still only have 2 FoW (ie, cannot make a deck that needs it). And there are some cheap(er) options... RDW, the Storm build that doesn't use Lion's Eye Diamond, Elves, Belcher (ok those last two aren't happening in Classic right now, but I think they are viable in Legacy). But it gets expensive, no doubt about it. Even if you don't play FoW, you run into Undergound Sea, Bayou, Tarmogoyf, Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, and then the cheaper cards like Dark Confidant and Thoughtseize you need four of, so that adds up. Not complaining because I've had a blast getting into the format recently. The nice thing is that once you make your initial investment, a lot of the cards go in different decks, so each new deck you build gets cheaper. And it's not like these cards are going to go down in value anytime soon.
Yeah, I know, that's a concern for me. I do want this series to wrap up sometime before Me4 gets here. I've already got chunks of 70+ at a time planned for later articles. I estimate somewhere around 20-25 total installments. So we should finish around September.
I can tell from your first statement that you have never actually played vintage.
Maybe its the power of your writing, or the depth of the tradgedy, but this article had a massive impact on me. I even shared it with my wife and it made her think about what her 'version of magic' was, helping her with her own healing. I am deeply sorry about your loss but very grateful you have had the courage to share it with us.
Thank you
David
Necessary? No. But judging by winning decks (in online classic) approx 2/3rds of those run playsets of fow. Just to clarify.
yeah, I played MTG for the first time in around 5 years while up with a baby one night. It was "winter break" and I didn't have to work the next day and didn't feel like watching tv and there was the laptop. Now I find myself sneaking time there constantly - been doing better this week though.
Is that even if MTGO takes care of MTGO, that's only good for a couple of weeks. After that, the influx of cards dries up hard.
So let's see, small group of people buy into a short printed set and then see a large influx of demand later on? That's bad - really bad.
This is coming from a guy who has no intention of ever playing Legacy. There are very few cards I care to have 4x of from Saga. I'm trying to watch your back, Legacy folk. If Saga does poorly, I see online Legacy being *significantly* more expensive than classic - at least in Classic the big bad cards are only 1x.
I won't comment on P9 anymore. I've commented on it enough for 6 years. We'll just have to wait and see.