Nobody deserves any hate. Geez. If you don't like to play casually against land destruction/mill/counter/whatever, then just don't. Concede and move on. It's what I do. Nobody has the right to abuse someone for playing cards issued officially.
There are plenty of ways to interact with mill decks in standard:
Finding a way to deal with hedron crab, choosing not to search your library if you fear archive trap, running some number of unearth creatures/bloodghasts/punishing fires etc.
Still playing mill will get you hated because it's less interaction-oriented than thesearesomecreaturesinthesame2or3colours.dec.
The main reason people hate mill is because it has no interaction and no way to stop it other than counterspells. Any deck with no interaction is going to be extremely boring to play against. Most people wouldnt want to play against storm combo either, its virtually the same thing. You dont interact with the opp, all you do is play mill spell after mill spell and hope you get lucky and can mill them in time. There is really no deck that is more boring in std. If you want to play mill in the casual room, expect to get a negative response.
If you want to get a more positive response, try making an original deck. I have a mono black mill ext deck that wins through nightmare incursion. I have never had a complaint, and its because while the final kill may be by mill, the deck is very interactive and plays a real game of 2 player magic the whole time. It isnt a solitaire deck like yours.
To sum up: you deserve the hate you got for playing mill.
Milling is, as you say, another "legitimate combative approach". But then so is LD, so is Discard, so is my "36 Counterspells - 22 lands - 2 creatures" deck. All those decks can be beaten easily but this fact doesn't make them "fun". Fun for the most people in the Casual Room means creature combat. You play creatures, I play creatures, the better creatures win and we both just had fun.
And that is the reason why I play my decks mostly in the TP Room. There you can try anything and everything; because that's exactly what others do too.
When I'm in the casual room I mainly try to be "nice" and try to play some "fun" decks. I just built a non-competitive Summoning Trap deck for Standard and no one blocks me (as far as I know) when I put a turn 5 Iona into play. The same players would have blocked me for playing a turn 5 Archive Trap by the way.
And if I see someone playing a turn 1 Hedron Crab then a turn 2 fetchland, AND if my only removal in hand is a 5 cost Bituminous Blast, AND if I'm not in the mood, ONLY then I concede. But I do that silently and without saying anything or insulting people. I just concede and move on.
I think this is the main problem in the Casual Room. If you don't like what you see, just move on. There's no need to argue with people; you can't decide what people will play or will not play, you can't dictate them what to play and what not to play. Just concede and move on; that's really not that hard to do.
You lost round two because in the third game you waited untile the last possible moment to play Mistbind. Had you played that during combat you could block the Marauders with it and time walk him, avoiding the molten rain.
Actually I'd say you're missing something relatively easy to spot. There's nothing interactive in the milling strategy you're suggesting. You can effectively block to save your life total from creatures in a vast majority of games (and you could block to save your library if you were playing Scalpelexis, but you're not). You're playing a burn deck that doesn't attack life totals. People tend to dislike playing against burn as well, but it tends to be more acceptable due to popular life gain cards (Aven Riftwatcher, Vampire Nighthawk, etc.). When players have no way of interacting in a game they get frustrated.
I have nothing against any strategy in the game. The cards were created to be used and if you've found a particularly good way to use them that's great. I'm the biggest advocate there is for players learning to evaluate resources better, but the masses aren't likely to change. I honestly believe if every player would take the time to realize how similar the following plays were there would be more diversity and more enjoyment in the casual room: casting a Stone Rain on a land brought into play with Rampant Growth vs. casting Dark Banishing on a Wall of Roots. I'll let you guess which one of those sequences gets you an insta-block on MTGO.
I don't think you're missing anything. The people who hate milling also hate discard, land destruction and creature destruction; basically everything. I find it much more enjoyable to be hit with two archive traps than with two blightnings, and my deck has more cards than I have hit points, usually, so the trade off seems fair to me. I only have to deal you 20 damage, but you have to deal 40+.
I don't think you're missing anything. The people who hate milling also hate discard, land destruction and creature destruction; basically everything. I find it much more enjoyable to be hit with two archive traps than with two blightnings, and my deck has more cards than I have hit points, usually, so the trade off seems fair to me. I only have to deal you 20 damage, but you have to deal 40+.
lol you obviously dont get the idea of sarcasm either...though to be quite honest, i've also given up being nice to people just because its the "appropriate" thing to do. If i like you then we're col, if not i have no reason to care whether or not I offend, annoy, anger, make you want to cry, etc...If you doont like what i have to say and my opinions, you can just not read them. Im here for me, and thats all im really concerned about. I play magic for my fun, no one elses.
Mr. hide behind anonymity why so hostile? Such an awkward personal attack seems quite jerkish to me without any of the courage of at least publishing under nick so we know which faceless person you are. You're giving all the other anonatrolls a bad name.
you are giving me lessons copy pasting stuff from wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole), and yet you call me an idiot? Maybe you are the one who should retake lessons on how not to be a jerk. And change that stupic picture you have.
I have 16 of one rare so I'm a hoarder? If I was trying to hoard something I would have a lot more of them trust me. As for hoarding in general I personally despise it and we are cracking down on it on our site and bots by blocking them etc. If a person only buys cards from me just to hoard them I have the freedom to refuse them sevice just like they have the freedom to hoard a card. I would not go as far as calling them names but they have no reason to get mad at me for playing defense when they are blocked on all of my bots.
That was a very distasteful remark mr anon. I am a Christian and do not appreciate your statement and I would say the same thing if you had said Muslim, Buddhist, black, white etc. Grow up.
This article, like all the articles on this site, needs more proofreading. Proofreading is tech. There are too many misspelled words and grammatical errors. If you're going to write an article and put it out there for the public to read, then you need to polish it. Don't rely on spellcheck alone to catch mistakes. A word can be spelled correctly and be the wrong word for the meaning that you intended.
another shard quote: in my opinion violence tends to be an acceptable response to any problem...its worked for so far in life. And I'm in my 20's
doesn't sound like ur original comment about car death wasn't a hyperbole, rather you meant it quite literally. it was only afterwards that you decided it should be a hyperbole given the response that you received. man up.
woo-hoo Living End is finally taking off! I spent 5 tix to get about 50 of them back when people were valuing them as a junk TSP rare at like 0.1 each. I've always thought it's as good as Hypergenesis, if not better.
There's no way it deprives a minimum of 20 players to horde / speculate whatever 80 evangels. I just checked, they're still available. Someone would have to horde thousands and thousands before they're going to start depriving anyone.
I mean unless your definition of deprivation is that they'd have to pay slightly more for the card.
Are they deprived when the market fluctuates naturally? What about when the card they need dips in price, who complains then?
I ran the MBC deck in the 2 man room twice, won both matches. First one was a affinity deck with no real kill. the disfigures ate frogmites and tendril ate the enforcers. The life gain kept me from dying to the 1/1 lose life black thingy. it was a mildly slow game with me winning with a double corruption, I sided in the edicts but didn't need them.
Match 2 was against storm. the guy won on turn 2, I literally played a swamp. I took out the removal, 2 corrupts and added the dross golems and duresses. He didn't go off before I got to turn 3 and I chittering rats him 3 turns in a row. It was very nice. He was dead by then. The real winner in that game way my sign in bloods. The third game was basically the same. The dead card in the storm matchup was the corrupt. I couldn't find anything in sideboard to replace it though.
my decklist got removed.
Nobody deserves any hate. Geez. If you don't like to play casually against land destruction/mill/counter/whatever, then just don't. Concede and move on. It's what I do. Nobody has the right to abuse someone for playing cards issued officially.
There are plenty of ways to interact with mill decks in standard:
Finding a way to deal with hedron crab, choosing not to search your library if you fear archive trap, running some number of unearth creatures/bloodghasts/punishing fires etc.
Still playing mill will get you hated because it's less interaction-oriented than thesearesomecreaturesinthesame2or3colours.dec.
The main reason people hate mill is because it has no interaction and no way to stop it other than counterspells. Any deck with no interaction is going to be extremely boring to play against. Most people wouldnt want to play against storm combo either, its virtually the same thing. You dont interact with the opp, all you do is play mill spell after mill spell and hope you get lucky and can mill them in time. There is really no deck that is more boring in std. If you want to play mill in the casual room, expect to get a negative response.
If you want to get a more positive response, try making an original deck. I have a mono black mill ext deck that wins through nightmare incursion. I have never had a complaint, and its because while the final kill may be by mill, the deck is very interactive and plays a real game of 2 player magic the whole time. It isnt a solitaire deck like yours.
To sum up: you deserve the hate you got for playing mill.
Milling is, as you say, another "legitimate combative approach". But then so is LD, so is Discard, so is my "36 Counterspells - 22 lands - 2 creatures" deck. All those decks can be beaten easily but this fact doesn't make them "fun". Fun for the most people in the Casual Room means creature combat. You play creatures, I play creatures, the better creatures win and we both just had fun.
And that is the reason why I play my decks mostly in the TP Room. There you can try anything and everything; because that's exactly what others do too.
When I'm in the casual room I mainly try to be "nice" and try to play some "fun" decks. I just built a non-competitive Summoning Trap deck for Standard and no one blocks me (as far as I know) when I put a turn 5 Iona into play. The same players would have blocked me for playing a turn 5 Archive Trap by the way.
And if I see someone playing a turn 1 Hedron Crab then a turn 2 fetchland, AND if my only removal in hand is a 5 cost Bituminous Blast, AND if I'm not in the mood, ONLY then I concede. But I do that silently and without saying anything or insulting people. I just concede and move on.
I think this is the main problem in the Casual Room. If you don't like what you see, just move on. There's no need to argue with people; you can't decide what people will play or will not play, you can't dictate them what to play and what not to play. Just concede and move on; that's really not that hard to do.
LE
don't see your decklist in the article.
You lost round two because in the third game you waited untile the last possible moment to play Mistbind. Had you played that during combat you could block the Marauders with it and time walk him, avoiding the molten rain.
I hate mill so much!!!!!
you never win...
your adversary loose...
no way
... is no match for the Blastoid one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PSvWR4dZKc&feature=related
Actually I'd say you're missing something relatively easy to spot. There's nothing interactive in the milling strategy you're suggesting. You can effectively block to save your life total from creatures in a vast majority of games (and you could block to save your library if you were playing Scalpelexis, but you're not). You're playing a burn deck that doesn't attack life totals. People tend to dislike playing against burn as well, but it tends to be more acceptable due to popular life gain cards (Aven Riftwatcher, Vampire Nighthawk, etc.). When players have no way of interacting in a game they get frustrated.
I have nothing against any strategy in the game. The cards were created to be used and if you've found a particularly good way to use them that's great. I'm the biggest advocate there is for players learning to evaluate resources better, but the masses aren't likely to change. I honestly believe if every player would take the time to realize how similar the following plays were there would be more diversity and more enjoyment in the casual room: casting a Stone Rain on a land brought into play with Rampant Growth vs. casting Dark Banishing on a Wall of Roots. I'll let you guess which one of those sequences gets you an insta-block on MTGO.
I don't think you're missing anything. The people who hate milling also hate discard, land destruction and creature destruction; basically everything. I find it much more enjoyable to be hit with two archive traps than with two blightnings, and my deck has more cards than I have hit points, usually, so the trade off seems fair to me. I only have to deal you 20 damage, but you have to deal 40+.
I don't think you're missing anything. The people who hate milling also hate discard, land destruction and creature destruction; basically everything. I find it much more enjoyable to be hit with two archive traps than with two blightnings, and my deck has more cards than I have hit points, usually, so the trade off seems fair to me. I only have to deal you 20 damage, but you have to deal 40+.
useless to talk whit such a character. you don´t get, if you don´t, no reason, no, no, no... pathetic.
lol you obviously dont get the idea of sarcasm either...though to be quite honest, i've also given up being nice to people just because its the "appropriate" thing to do. If i like you then we're col, if not i have no reason to care whether or not I offend, annoy, anger, make you want to cry, etc...If you doont like what i have to say and my opinions, you can just not read them. Im here for me, and thats all im really concerned about. I play magic for my fun, no one elses.
Stupid* + pic? :)
Mr. hide behind anonymity why so hostile? Such an awkward personal attack seems quite jerkish to me without any of the courage of at least publishing under nick so we know which faceless person you are. You're giving all the other anonatrolls a bad name.
you are giving me lessons copy pasting stuff from wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole), and yet you call me an idiot? Maybe you are the one who should retake lessons on how not to be a jerk. And change that stupic picture you have.
This article, like all the articles on this site, needs more proofreading. Proofreading is tech. There are too many misspelled words and grammatical errors. If you're going to write an article and put it out there for the public to read, then you need to polish it. Don't rely on spellcheck alone to catch mistakes. A word can be spelled correctly and be the wrong word for the meaning that you intended.
another shard quote: in my opinion violence tends to be an acceptable response to any problem...its worked for so far in life. And I'm in my 20's
doesn't sound like ur original comment about car death wasn't a hyperbole, rather you meant it quite literally. it was only afterwards that you decided it should be a hyperbole given the response that you received. man up.
woo-hoo Living End is finally taking off! I spent 5 tix to get about 50 of them back when people were valuing them as a junk TSP rare at like 0.1 each. I've always thought it's as good as Hypergenesis, if not better.
I forget to put the article number in. It should be 22. Can you either add it for me, or unlock the article so I can edit it myself? Thanks -CR
There's no way it deprives a minimum of 20 players to horde / speculate whatever 80 evangels. I just checked, they're still available. Someone would have to horde thousands and thousands before they're going to start depriving anyone.
I mean unless your definition of deprivation is that they'd have to pay slightly more for the card.
Are they deprived when the market fluctuates naturally? What about when the card they need dips in price, who complains then?
Raaawr let's get angry over nothing!
I ran the MBC deck in the 2 man room twice, won both matches. First one was a affinity deck with no real kill. the disfigures ate frogmites and tendril ate the enforcers. The life gain kept me from dying to the 1/1 lose life black thingy. it was a mildly slow game with me winning with a double corruption, I sided in the edicts but didn't need them.
Match 2 was against storm. the guy won on turn 2, I literally played a swamp. I took out the removal, 2 corrupts and added the dross golems and duresses. He didn't go off before I got to turn 3 and I chittering rats him 3 turns in a row. It was very nice. He was dead by then. The real winner in that game way my sign in bloods. The third game was basically the same. The dead card in the storm matchup was the corrupt. I couldn't find anything in sideboard to replace it though.
So why are you mad?