This deck got 2 top 4's for me the following Saturday and RenatoAmado ran a slightly modified verson with sword of light/shadow to the win on Sunday. So this deck is proving my thought that this deck was a complete meta deck and not good if people know about it wrong. Congratz to Renato BTW that sword really takes this deck over the top.
yes i did misplay the first game...Im new to classic and the jitte was a new thing ive never faced before extesnively...hence the misplays...oh well...you live and learn...congrats on the win....howd you get your account stolen?
You criminally underdraft bone splinters IMO. All three times you passed it, I would have taken it, and I actually wouldn't have even seriously considered the other options.
The other pick I make that is completely different is the Esper Battlemage pick. I'm pretty sure that Kiss is much better. The only thing Esper battlemage really does for you there is let you stay grixis, but I'm still taking Kiss.
Out with Grixis Charm if no island are played and in with the allmighty Blightning. Alternatively adding a island and taking out 1 mountain could make the grixis charm work. I would never have played a singlecard plash of only a tri-land.
I dont see speculation as a huge problem either its how some of us finance our future MTGO purchases, how ever if you add up the groups of us who do speculate then well no hoarders can come close to our buying power. For instance i had i beleive 5 play sets of FOW I picked up before it jumped to around 40. I kept one for classic play, now imagine five more people held even one or two extra play sets. It adds up to alot. Now I sold all mine off as soon as it hit around 40 rather narrow sighted on my part now but hey wasnt out to make a killing just increase my collection. You get 40 speculators saving an extra play set thats 160 cards, i dont see any problem with it personally but just saying one hoarder can not do the same damage as 40 plus speculators, and by no means do i pass judgment im guilty too (of specualting that is)
I didn't realize that the community was that small for classic. If that truly is the case, then yes, manipulation of a price would be quite easy. I assumed that there were far more players which would sort out the supply and demand of most of the card pool, mainly by simply opening up packs of MED and the like. Ultimately though, it is still the fact that these sets have no value in limited play that has made the supply of some of these cards so low. There is very little reason, if any at all, to ever open up a pack of a set that has such a high proportion of low quality cards, like MED or MED2. In fact, for sets like MED that have absolutely no value outside of the classic format, I wouldn't even assume to see much continued support from WOTC, it can't be terribly profitable to waste time coding for such a small pool of potential customers. Maybe if they made the sets actually playable, instead of a pile of chaff with a few chase rares, it would be a different story.
Speaking from personal experience, it has never been a problem for me getting 4X of any card, and I may add that I have 4X of just about every playable card in print. I do not feel that I have ever overpaid for any of my cards. I generally buy from bots, and generally pay slightly more than I would pay if I had up a buy ad in the marketplace, but I consider those lost tickets a "convenience charge" since I would rather just have the cards than sit around and wait, than save a few bucks in the process.
Unlike hoarding stocks in real life, hoarding digital cards in our tiny little economy does wreck things. With stocks there are always other bets to place and new companies to establish. If you go for the extreme case of hoarding - buying an entire company - then you're basically making a bet that the company will be in higher demand later. No problem.
But the MTGO economy has two problems that make it vulnerable to manipulation. One, it's tiny. The classic community is 200-500 people. I see the same people in every event. We're like the size of one decent brick-and-mortar card store community. And two, the card supply is finite. Furthermore, the Classic sets are especially finite due to their pitiful limited playability. There might be less Chants or Forces than Mox Sapphires out there. I'd love to know. What happened with the in print Vampiric Tutor is more comparable to the story of the De Beers cartel.
I have the following warning for digital hoarders: Wizards established MTGO with the ability to reprint any card anytime they want, for any reason. Whole sets they promise that they will reprint only sparingly. Any old card with a new expansion symbol is fair game. MED8 could have Goyf, Jitte, Bayou, Force, and Psionic Blast as the money rares. Well, maybe the Blast isn't money and MED8 sucks, but that's not the point. The point is that Chant could be in MED3 just as easily as it could be March's promo.
thanks for the discretion on that one, But yeah I don't mind since I'm now using that account for everything from classic to the occasional std and alot of drafting lol.
Lava dart doesn't fit in the deck. This deck doesn't use burn to clear the path and beat with creatures. The few creatures in the deck are pseudo burn spells. So lava dart would just be like a shock only it would require you to sacrifice a land to deal the 2nd damage.
Hi TuS I was not sure if you wanted to make it public knowledge that ES19 was your alternative account so I did not reference it. Yeah 16 19 lol. How time flies!
Hi there. Enjoyed your article, nice approach with the videos and great explanation, I myself am a red player, not in pauper but other formats, and as far as you can't improve much that deck than he is now, lke the Firebolts that 5 land games happens, ever thought about lava dart? or it isnt even relevant on this format/deck's goal? Keep up the good work.
Because last week, Luis Scott-Vargas won the Extended Grand Prix Los Angeles with "The Extended Perfect Storm" deck featuring Mind's Desire to find Tendrils of Agony as the kill condition.
The relevant rule is 103.1, one of the 'Golden Rules'
103.1. Whenever a card’s text directly contradicts these rules, the card takes precedence. The card overrides only the rule that applies to that specific situation. The only exception is that a player can concede the game at any time (see rule 102.3a).
Nice article. The videos are a nice addition. You could add what cards to sideout in each matchup. Overall good reading. Hope to see some new deck next time.
This deck got 2 top 4's for me the following Saturday and RenatoAmado ran a slightly modified verson with sword of light/shadow to the win on Sunday. So this deck is proving my thought that this deck was a complete meta deck and not good if people know about it wrong. Congratz to Renato BTW that sword really takes this deck over the top.
yes i did misplay the first game...Im new to classic and the jitte was a new thing ive never faced before extesnively...hence the misplays...oh well...you live and learn...congrats on the win....howd you get your account stolen?
Given the format diversity, maybe it's time to water it down to top 15 decks. It's not like any deck says I am spanking all the rest.
i was running captain america pajamas
You criminally underdraft bone splinters IMO. All three times you passed it, I would have taken it, and I actually wouldn't have even seriously considered the other options.
The other pick I make that is completely different is the Esper Battlemage pick. I'm pretty sure that Kiss is much better. The only thing Esper battlemage really does for you there is let you stay grixis, but I'm still taking Kiss.
jvs
Out with Grixis Charm if no island are played and in with the allmighty Blightning. Alternatively adding a island and taking out 1 mountain could make the grixis charm work. I would never have played a singlecard plash of only a tri-land.
I dont see speculation as a huge problem either its how some of us finance our future MTGO purchases, how ever if you add up the groups of us who do speculate then well no hoarders can come close to our buying power. For instance i had i beleive 5 play sets of FOW I picked up before it jumped to around 40. I kept one for classic play, now imagine five more people held even one or two extra play sets. It adds up to alot. Now I sold all mine off as soon as it hit around 40 rather narrow sighted on my part now but hey wasnt out to make a killing just increase my collection. You get 40 speculators saving an extra play set thats 160 cards, i dont see any problem with it personally but just saying one hoarder can not do the same damage as 40 plus speculators, and by no means do i pass judgment im guilty too (of specualting that is)
I didn't realize that the community was that small for classic. If that truly is the case, then yes, manipulation of a price would be quite easy. I assumed that there were far more players which would sort out the supply and demand of most of the card pool, mainly by simply opening up packs of MED and the like. Ultimately though, it is still the fact that these sets have no value in limited play that has made the supply of some of these cards so low. There is very little reason, if any at all, to ever open up a pack of a set that has such a high proportion of low quality cards, like MED or MED2. In fact, for sets like MED that have absolutely no value outside of the classic format, I wouldn't even assume to see much continued support from WOTC, it can't be terribly profitable to waste time coding for such a small pool of potential customers. Maybe if they made the sets actually playable, instead of a pile of chaff with a few chase rares, it would be a different story.
Speaking from personal experience, it has never been a problem for me getting 4X of any card, and I may add that I have 4X of just about every playable card in print. I do not feel that I have ever overpaid for any of my cards. I generally buy from bots, and generally pay slightly more than I would pay if I had up a buy ad in the marketplace, but I consider those lost tickets a "convenience charge" since I would rather just have the cards than sit around and wait, than save a few bucks in the process.
Noknife
Do I get an article request yet? :=)
Man, good job, here: it's tough to cover so much ground!
How in the world do we define a metagame here!?!
Peace, Bazaar of Baghdad
Hi again!
i have an idea in an affinity deck:
Glaze Fiend and Myr Servitor.
do you (people) can work well? or its a poor idea?
tnx again
Anything up with calling Bazaar Bizaar ? :)
Once gain, great recap, though.
Does anyone have any idea how many copies of specific cards actually are in the system? That would be a great fact.
How about real life cards? Anyone know approx. how many Lotuses were printed?
Unlike hoarding stocks in real life, hoarding digital cards in our tiny little economy does wreck things. With stocks there are always other bets to place and new companies to establish. If you go for the extreme case of hoarding - buying an entire company - then you're basically making a bet that the company will be in higher demand later. No problem.
But the MTGO economy has two problems that make it vulnerable to manipulation. One, it's tiny. The classic community is 200-500 people. I see the same people in every event. We're like the size of one decent brick-and-mortar card store community. And two, the card supply is finite. Furthermore, the Classic sets are especially finite due to their pitiful limited playability. There might be less Chants or Forces than Mox Sapphires out there. I'd love to know. What happened with the in print Vampiric Tutor is more comparable to the story of the De Beers cartel.
I have the following warning for digital hoarders: Wizards established MTGO with the ability to reprint any card anytime they want, for any reason. Whole sets they promise that they will reprint only sparingly. Any old card with a new expansion symbol is fair game. MED8 could have Goyf, Jitte, Bayou, Force, and Psionic Blast as the money rares. Well, maybe the Blast isn't money and MED8 sucks, but that's not the point. The point is that Chant could be in MED3 just as easily as it could be March's promo.
thanks for the discretion on that one, But yeah I don't mind since I'm now using that account for everything from classic to the occasional std and alot of drafting lol.
Lava dart doesn't fit in the deck. This deck doesn't use burn to clear the path and beat with creatures. The few creatures in the deck are pseudo burn spells. So lava dart would just be like a shock only it would require you to sacrifice a land to deal the 2nd damage.
So sad I can't compete, gotta do the superbowl holiday thing.
Hi TuS I was not sure if you wanted to make it public knowledge that ES19 was your alternative account so I did not reference it. Yeah 16 19 lol. How time flies!
Love the Moby Dick art. This card is part of the "cultural fallout of the week" this week at powermobydick.com.
its eaglescout16 i was 16 when i made the account. which I still cant believe was 4 years ago god times fly by. Nice article btw.
Hi there. Enjoyed your article, nice approach with the videos and great explanation, I myself am a red player, not in pauper but other formats, and as far as you can't improve much that deck than he is now, lke the Firebolts that 5 land games happens, ever thought about lava dart? or it isnt even relevant on this format/deck's goal? Keep up the good work.
Because last week, Luis Scott-Vargas won the Extended Grand Prix Los Angeles with "The Extended Perfect Storm" deck featuring Mind's Desire to find Tendrils of Agony as the kill condition.
I gotta get my article on that done this week.
The relevant rule is 103.1, one of the 'Golden Rules'
103.1. Whenever a card’s text directly contradicts these rules, the card takes precedence. The card overrides only the rule that applies to that specific situation. The only exception is that a player can concede the game at any time (see rule 102.3a).
i havent been around for quite a while, can anybody tell me why minds desire had such an huge price increase?
Nice article. The videos are a nice addition. You could add what cards to sideout in each matchup. Overall good reading. Hope to see some new deck next time.
in between desire, dreadnought, grind, vents and chants my collection jumpped up over 200 dollars in value this week.