Yea since I wrote this I added him to the deck in Paper and Bishop has been great. Just it being a 2/3 and flying is also something the deck can really need sometimes.
Bishop really is the real deal in grindier matchups - I've been on its receiving end a couple of times now.
The deck's insane amount of one-drops plus pump effects is what makes it so tough to play against, as you'll probably be dead by the time you can cast your wrath. Adding Bishop means that, even when that plan doesn't go all the way, chances are the white weenie player will have a bunch of clues lying around to recoup.
I think the idea should be that when a winning deck is defined by a derivative tribe like Wizards, Clerics, Soldiers, etc. that has 50%+ humans in its tribal base, Humans are prohibited from being 50%+ of any other tribe for that player during the lockout period. I hope that makes sense. If not, I can try to parse it out a bit more.
Great to see you play Standard for a change!
Minor issue: your videos (all except the round 4 one) repeat the first 30-60 seconds, and the audio goes out of sync for a little while after that. You might want to look into it.
In fact, we probably are already there, because if you take out the Un-sets and other fake results, Human drops to 1789, but the Creature total probably drops under 8,000.
If it were for me, Human wouldn't even be considered a tribe anymore. As already discussed (and sort of alluded to each time I do a tribal evaluation), their number is greater not merely than all other subtypes, but than most card types too.
We have (counting Un-sets and double-sided cards too):
We have the top 8 lockout, we could expand on its use. If, say, a top 8 player moneys with humans or human derivatives, they could get a 2-week lock in humans and that tribe. (Which would cover the next regular event). A smaller penalty for only going x-1, but it could really shake things up.
I won't be able to provide a justification, but my preference is that the regular stays as it is (ie. not mess with tribes as a whole, just with individual cards if some are too broken).
I'm not recommending this, but to put an idea out there for diversity's sake (other than an outright ban), we could have a rule where Red, White, or Blue humans cannot constitute more than half one's tribe (even if officially playing Wizards, Clerics, Soldiers, etc.) in Regular events. As MaRo says, restraints breed creativity. If helpful, Kuma need not police the rule with new entrants or those who haven't won an event in a while.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's "fine" as is, just wondering if it might be even better to change to this or some other restriction.
Imho and it really is just a lowly opinion of a non-participant at this point, there isn't anything to be done that isn't already being done. There was a long stretch of time where other types dominated but Humans collectively tend to be good because there are so many of them. (The bad ones don't stand out but the good ones do.)
I expect, Mom to eventually be hated out by the lockout rule. At least temporarily. The rest? meh.
I was curious about Human dominance recently. Here is a list of the number of humans for each of the winning Regular events in 2016:
0 – {Goblins}
21 – Mono-White Aggro
20 – Mono-White Combo Control {Clerics}
13 – Green-red-black Control {Shamans}
20 – Blue-white Combo Control
20 – Mono-Red Aggro
20 – Mono-White Aggro Control
15 – Blue-white Combo Control {Wizards}
27 – Mono-White Aggro
20 – Blue Green red Combo Ramp Control
Brackets indicate the non-human tribes involved, if any. Colors are listed with main colors capitalized. There are several different styles there. I'm not sure if that is a call to arms, but I will at least ask if there is something we should be doing...
Here is the creature breakdown:
12 Mother of Runes
8 Laboratory Maniac
8 Architects of Will
8 Champion of the Parish
7 Student of Warfare
7 Meddling Mage
5 Containment Priest
5 Deftblade Elite
5 Auriok Champion
4 Boros Elite
4 Weathered Wayfarer
4 Cunning Sparkmage
4 Fauna Shaman
4 Alchemist’s Apprentice
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Lightning Berserker
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Martyr of Sands
4 Serra Ascendant
4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Stormscape Apprentice
4 Precinct Captain
4 Riders of Gavony
4 Thalia’s Lieutenant
4 Dragon’s Eye Savants
4 Imperial Recruiter
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Sage of Epityr
3 Mardu Woe-Reaper
3 Soldier of the Pantheon
3 Benevolent Bodyguard
3 Venser, Shaper Savant
2 Rattleclaw Mystic
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Keldon Marauders
2 Eternal Witness
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
1 Crimson Acolyte
1 Hanweir Militia Captain
1 Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
1 Dosan the Falling Leaf
1 Omenspeaker
1 Voidmage Prodigy
Tasigur is the only Black-hearted human of note it seems. :)
Don't miss the S100 birthday event tomorrow! We have triple the usual prizes and distribute until place 8. + doorprize
Checkout http://tinyurl.com/Chainsaw-S100 for all the details.
I have been playing Cabal Therapy in tournament decks since it was printed. It is a card that really rewards knowing a format and its archetypes. And uncommon seems fine - it I a staple card that should be widely available for Eternal formats, but I would hate to see multiples appearing in EM limited.
I have been assured by an orc online that bots are not illegal per terms/agreement/conduct stuff we tag "agree" to on mtgonline.
I asked about previous versions of those agreements, and got the reply that they are not public/available. Wotc can change rules overnight (and say they have never been different).
I am sure the "agreements" once were worded so that it was clear that the bots in fact were illegal.
I think the bots also today is illegal per terms and agreement, but I havent studied them. (Illegal to use other software in mtgo.)
I thought the premise of the discussion was that mtgotraders did not want these cards. If they are paying for your crap commons then problem solved. Just sell to them.
Cardhoarder will give you an automated quote for your collection on their website. You should check out how much your crap commons could be sold for? The automated quote does not fit well with your assumption that cherry picking is difficult.
Have you used a buyingbot lately? They are able to cherry pick within a couple of seconds. Not rocket science and not a manual task. Transferring cards between accounts is also not a manual task.
You take everything because the bulk commons are for free. Then you use the free cards to set up a Free card bot full of crap commons. New players will be looking for free cards and will be happy with your free bot. Hopefully, they will remember your name once they buy their constructed competitive deck.
Another reason for taking the crap commons for free is because you hope that WotC will convert them into tix or PP down the road ;)
Some people pointed out a portion of what I was going toward. The other thing is, they are paying for those cards. I doubt a collection buyer looks and pays the buy price for every card worth more than 0.01 and then gives that number. You may only be getting a few dollars or cents for thousands of bulk, but they are paying something for it. It is cheaper to buy that than tangle up accounts and have the cherry picking going on.
Wizards not having a booth at GenCon is nothing new right?
I looked at prices for paper decks and SSG being as high as it is now made me sad
SSG is worth peanuts online. It's worth a lot in paper, though.
Yea since I wrote this I added him to the deck in Paper and Bishop has been great. Just it being a 2/3 and flying is also something the deck can really need sometimes.
Bishop really is the real deal in grindier matchups - I've been on its receiving end a couple of times now.
The deck's insane amount of one-drops plus pump effects is what makes it so tough to play against, as you'll probably be dead by the time you can cast your wrath. Adding Bishop means that, even when that plan doesn't go all the way, chances are the white weenie player will have a bunch of clues lying around to recoup.
I think the idea should be that when a winning deck is defined by a derivative tribe like Wizards, Clerics, Soldiers, etc. that has 50%+ humans in its tribal base, Humans are prohibited from being 50%+ of any other tribe for that player during the lockout period. I hope that makes sense. If not, I can try to parse it out a bit more.
No comment about the idea, but catchy name.
Great to see you play Standard for a change!
Minor issue: your videos (all except the round 4 one) repeat the first 30-60 seconds, and the audio goes out of sync for a little while after that. You might want to look into it.
Maybe have 'Inhumanity' as a fifth-week format? No humans allowed.
In fact, we probably are already there, because if you take out the Un-sets and other fake results, Human drops to 1789, but the Creature total probably drops under 8,000.
If it were for me, Human wouldn't even be considered a tribe anymore. As already discussed (and sort of alluded to each time I do a tribal evaluation), their number is greater not merely than all other subtypes, but than most card types too.
We have (counting Un-sets and double-sided cards too):
Creature: 8379
Enchantment: 2089
Instant: 2022
Human: 1820
Sorcery: 1739
Artifact: 1618
We're almost at the point where one creature out of four is a Human.
Can do. But just for X-0. We don't want to alienate top players further.
We can just add Human as lockout whenever the tribe is Human-relevant.
We have the top 8 lockout, we could expand on its use. If, say, a top 8 player moneys with humans or human derivatives, they could get a 2-week lock in humans and that tribe. (Which would cover the next regular event). A smaller penalty for only going x-1, but it could really shake things up.
I won't be able to provide a justification, but my preference is that the regular stays as it is (ie. not mess with tribes as a whole, just with individual cards if some are too broken).
I'm not recommending this, but to put an idea out there for diversity's sake (other than an outright ban), we could have a rule where Red, White, or Blue humans cannot constitute more than half one's tribe (even if officially playing Wizards, Clerics, Soldiers, etc.) in Regular events. As MaRo says, restraints breed creativity. If helpful, Kuma need not police the rule with new entrants or those who haven't won an event in a while.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's "fine" as is, just wondering if it might be even better to change to this or some other restriction.
Imho and it really is just a lowly opinion of a non-participant at this point, there isn't anything to be done that isn't already being done. There was a long stretch of time where other types dominated but Humans collectively tend to be good because there are so many of them. (The bad ones don't stand out but the good ones do.)
I expect, Mom to eventually be hated out by the lockout rule. At least temporarily. The rest? meh.
I was curious about Human dominance recently. Here is a list of the number of humans for each of the winning Regular events in 2016:
0 – {Goblins}
21 – Mono-White Aggro
20 – Mono-White Combo Control {Clerics}
13 – Green-red-black Control {Shamans}
20 – Blue-white Combo Control
20 – Mono-Red Aggro
20 – Mono-White Aggro Control
15 – Blue-white Combo Control {Wizards}
27 – Mono-White Aggro
20 – Blue Green red Combo Ramp Control
Brackets indicate the non-human tribes involved, if any. Colors are listed with main colors capitalized. There are several different styles there. I'm not sure if that is a call to arms, but I will at least ask if there is something we should be doing...
Here is the creature breakdown:
12 Mother of Runes
8 Laboratory Maniac
8 Architects of Will
8 Champion of the Parish
7 Student of Warfare
7 Meddling Mage
5 Containment Priest
5 Deftblade Elite
5 Auriok Champion
4 Boros Elite
4 Weathered Wayfarer
4 Cunning Sparkmage
4 Fauna Shaman
4 Alchemist’s Apprentice
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Lightning Berserker
4 Lightning Mauler
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Martyr of Sands
4 Serra Ascendant
4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Stormscape Apprentice
4 Precinct Captain
4 Riders of Gavony
4 Thalia’s Lieutenant
4 Dragon’s Eye Savants
4 Imperial Recruiter
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Sage of Epityr
3 Mardu Woe-Reaper
3 Soldier of the Pantheon
3 Benevolent Bodyguard
3 Venser, Shaper Savant
2 Rattleclaw Mystic
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Keldon Marauders
2 Eternal Witness
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
1 Crimson Acolyte
1 Hanweir Militia Captain
1 Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
1 Dosan the Falling Leaf
1 Omenspeaker
1 Voidmage Prodigy
Tasigur is the only Black-hearted human of note it seems. :)
Don't miss the S100 birthday event tomorrow! We have triple the usual prizes and distribute until place 8. + doorprize
Checkout http://tinyurl.com/Chainsaw-S100 for all the details.
I am so partial to the judgment art.
I have been playing Cabal Therapy in tournament decks since it was printed. It is a card that really rewards knowing a format and its archetypes. And uncommon seems fine - it I a staple card that should be widely available for Eternal formats, but I would hate to see multiples appearing in EM limited.
Good stuff!
I have been assured by an orc online that bots are not illegal per terms/agreement/conduct stuff we tag "agree" to on mtgonline.
I asked about previous versions of those agreements, and got the reply that they are not public/available. Wotc can change rules overnight (and say they have never been different).
I am sure the "agreements" once were worded so that it was clear that the bots in fact were illegal.
I think the bots also today is illegal per terms and agreement, but I havent studied them. (Illegal to use other software in mtgo.)
I thought the premise of the discussion was that mtgotraders did not want these cards. If they are paying for your crap commons then problem solved. Just sell to them.
Cardhoarder will give you an automated quote for your collection on their website. You should check out how much your crap commons could be sold for? The automated quote does not fit well with your assumption that cherry picking is difficult.
Have you used a buyingbot lately? They are able to cherry pick within a couple of seconds. Not rocket science and not a manual task. Transferring cards between accounts is also not a manual task.
You take everything because the bulk commons are for free. Then you use the free cards to set up a Free card bot full of crap commons. New players will be looking for free cards and will be happy with your free bot. Hopefully, they will remember your name once they buy their constructed competitive deck.
Another reason for taking the crap commons for free is because you hope that WotC will convert them into tix or PP down the road ;)
Some people pointed out a portion of what I was going toward. The other thing is, they are paying for those cards. I doubt a collection buyer looks and pays the buy price for every card worth more than 0.01 and then gives that number. You may only be getting a few dollars or cents for thousands of bulk, but they are paying something for it. It is cheaper to buy that than tangle up accounts and have the cherry picking going on.